05 November 2008

2642) Defensive Approach, Ignorance Or More !

REPLY to Armenian American Verbal Thuggery in Ohio Provokes Criminal Investigation Request- TALDF Action

Dear All,
I have received this message from different parties, and I hope that these comments will answer all, although I much doubt, if there will be any taking action based on the documentation herewith presented and my sincere comments, (which may be no butter for most readers), and addresses to Krikorian and Co, asking them to either refute or shut up!

1. As long as the Turkish Organizations remain in the defense line and are not . .
informed of the "documentary power we do have, based on the Armenian and American documents openly available on the internet free E-book libraries", they do not read and follow upto date developments posted by "armenians-1915.blogspot.com", and prefer to limit their activities to what "readers would like to hear", it means that there is a serious lack of "collective and readily usable information" and it is because of this fact, that simple skirmishes such as this one, could not be immediately "fired back and made public".

2. It seems that the Turkish Organizations are not informed of the availability of my book "The Genocide of Truth" available for free reading in the above E-library, and some of the books sent to Turkish delegations by the Istanbul Commerce University Publishing, remain unopened and unread in some corners. The book is 700 pages, the result of some 4 years work and combing more than 30.000 pages written mostly by anti-Turkish sources. I recognize some names, who have my book but no time to look into or forgot to refer to the concerned chapters.

3. Regarding the contributions made to Jeane Schmidt, please make a print of "Buying Policies" showing the huge contributions made to Menendez, all by Armenian Americans, half of whom do not even reside in New Jersey. Give it to them and the rest of the media or politicians!

4. Regarding the Hitler falsification, I suggest that you read Chapter 21, pages 425-453 about the Dashnag-Nazi intercourse for full picture, and for Hitler forgery refer to Chapter 17 "Proven Forgery to Distort History" and definitely read pages 366-367, where this forgery is proven on the internet. Those who continue to use this forgery, must first defy the submitted documents recently discovered!

5- Regarding the "Armenian Genocide" claims, please make a print of my three essays you can download which are self documentary and explanatory. You should challenge everyone to belie the official evidences of the USA and Armenian State organizations, if they can! As long as these documents stand available for reading, all humans with an average level of understanding will see the atrocities committed by the Armenian Revolutionaries, their full cooperation with enemies, their acts of betrayal and the huge distortion for the numbers of people who died in the process of relocation and the following years, become clear and totally reconfirmed.

I sincerely regret the continued negligence of the Turkish organizations, to follow up the blogsite of Turkish Armenians, who are struggling and effectively contributing to the discovery of truth and reason. May be some of us should follow the didactic essays of a prominent truth-seeker Armenian writer (Ara Baliozian) who in his very last essay Worst Profanities Reserved Not By Armenians For Turks, Or Vice Verse, But By Armenians For Armenians courageously used expressions such as "band of robbers or band of brothers", "gravediggers of a nation", "they speak of fund-raising, never of accounting", "I believe in the Turkish version of our past, as much as I believe our own", "ignorance is the mother of admiration", "all fascists are pathological liars", "the compulsion to speak the truth is neurotic; by contrast the compulsion to lie is a survival tactic"....

If your esteemed organizations are unable to reach for the information excavated by old persons like me (or several books of Prof. Ataov), then we deserve to be humiliated because of our ignorance or impotence or lack of putting our knowledge and efforts altogether. Please start reading and following the "decent Armenians"! Every nation, group of people or faith, have the "decent" and "indecent" persons. The Ottoman history is full of both Armenian and Turkish persons of both characters. The ones that speak loudest are the "wheeler-dealers" because they survive on fund-raising and they do not wish any pacification or normalization of relations. I had and still have "many friends of Armenian ethnicity" who make my life enjoyable. Now, I know that many thousands who never saw me, hate me, just because I am a Turk. They believe in the lies they have been showered with and which they made a cause of existence. There are not many like Ara Baliozian, to be sincere and self-critic!

They expect "compensations to make them rich" as promised by their gang leaders. Shortly I will be writing another essay the prove that "they are expecting an impossible dream" to become true, and they are cheated by their "money-collecting leaders".

Good luck and best regards to all


Sukru S. Aya


Buying Policies, August 5th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

PoliGazette takes a closer look into the financial records of US Senator Menendez (D NJ). His vote can and has been bought.

One of the main things Americans frequently complain about is the influence of special interest groups over politicians and, thus, over how the United States is ran. Too many laws, these Americans say, are designed not with the best interest of the American people in mind, but with the interest of said groups in mind. This is, Americans rightfully complain, now how the US government was meant to function.

In recent months and years some Democratic politicians have constantly functioned as mouthpieces for one of those special interest groups; Armenian American nationalists. For some, for most Americans, unknown reason, these Democratic Senators and Representatives bring the events of 1915 which they call the Armenian Genocide up whenever they can. This obsession with something that happened almost 100 years ago resulted in an international controversy when one of the first acts of the Democratically controlled US Congress after the elections of 2006 was to adopt a resolution that labels said events officially as "genocide."

Turkey denies that what happened constitutes genocide and argues, instead, that historians, not politicians, should cast judgment on this affair. In response to the resolution Turkey threatened to withdraw its support for the War in Iraq and, more importantly, would no longer allow the US to use Turkey (to move troops, material, etc.) in order to fight and thus win in that Middle Eastern country.

Americans wondered what happened to their government; why was the war put at risk? Why were American lives put at risk? Why this sudden obsession with something that has no relation whatsoever with America?

PoliGazette has the answers to those questions. As usual it is about one thing only: money.

One of the most fervent supporters of the Armenian cause in the United States is Senator Robert Menendez. He is one of the Senators who blocked George W. Bush's nomination for ambassador to Armenia; when Bush wanted to send that person, Menendez blocked the nomination because the nominee refused to call what happened to the Armenian as ‘genocide.' Later Bush nominated another diplomat, and once again Menendez objected, etc. In the end, though, Marie Yovanovitch was finally confirmed.

And once again Americans wondered what the hell just happened. Why was Menendez so passionate about this subject? Why is history politicized?

As said, it is about one thing, and one thing only; money. PoliGazette's Kemal (who did most of the work) and me, Michael, took a closer look at the financial records of Senator Menendez and found that he has been paid and bought by Armenian activists. All in all, this Senator received some $136,000 from Armenian action committees and individuals; quite a gigantic sum.

Below follows the complete record of Armenian donations to Senator Menendez. I'll summarize the findings here, for details, scroll down to the records.

One of the first things one notices about the Armenians who donated to Senator Menendez is that many of the Armenian donaters do not live in New Jersey. This means that he is not representing them, since American Senators represent a specific part of the population who are able to vote him or her in and out of office. In other words, a sizable part of Menendez's donaters are not his constituents.

Since he does not represent them nor their regional interests, common sense dictates that he works for them in other areas. This is, obviously, the Armenian Genocide issue. Menendez has become one of the most vocal US Senators on this subject.

Another interesting aspect of Menendez's financial records is that he receives a lot of money from Armenian organizations, or PACS. These PACS are special interest groups, who often only deal with one subject. The Armenian PACS that donate to Menendez are the Armenian American PAC and the Armenian Americans Legislative Issues Committee. Together these PACS have donated $25,746 to Menendez.

Menendez's own financial records taken from the Federal Election Commission's website show that this one, individual Senator alone has received $136,481 from Armenian organizations and individuals, many of whom not constituents of this Democratic Senator for New Jersey. This amount, a significant amount, has caused Menendez to focus a lot of time and attention to the Armenian ‘Genocide' issue and has, directly, resulted in international controversies and worsening relations with America's allies.

Here follow the details. Names of individuals are published because those records are available and open to the public already at other places.

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/06/2000

1000.00

20990218140

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/13/2002

1000.00

22992043933

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

03/31/2004

500.00

24991018071

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/02/2004

500.00

24971671425

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/09/2004

1000.00

24971671426

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

06/29/2005

1000.00

25970522392

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/27/2006

1000.00

26940423103

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

09/27/2006

1500.00

26940423104

ARMENIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE PAC

11/09/2007

5000.00

28039632731

ARMENIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE PAC

01/28/2008

5000.00

28039693856

17,500

ARMENIAN AMERICANS LEGISLATIVE ISSUES COMMITTEE

11/03/2006

4123.00

27039410898

ARMENIAN AMERICANS LEGISLATIVE ISSUES COMMITTEE

11/03/2006

4123.00

26039281523

8246

$25,746 FROM ARMENIAN PACs

AGHISHIAN, ARA

TARZANA
CA 91356

05/12/2006

1000.00

SELF EMPLOYED/ATTORNEY

26020361082

AJEMIAN, MARY ANNA

NEW YORK
NY 10017

04/09/2001

500.00

THE AMBRIOLA CO.

21990274673

AJEMIAN, MARY ANNA

NEW YORK
NY 10017

05/01/2000

500.00

THE AMBRIOLA CO

20035631902

AKIAN, BERJ

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

10/01/2002

1000.00

CLASS LINK TECHNOLOGIES/CEO & FOUN

22992450622

AMERIAN, MICHAEL

TOLUCA LAKE
CA
91602

09/28/2007

1000.00

CITY OF LOS ANGELES/ATTORNEY

27020360589

APOVIAN, JOHN

FORT LEE
NJ 07024

06/05/2006

1000.00

SELF EMPLOYED/PHYSICIAN

26020672918

BABIKIAN, JEFFREY C.

RAMSEY
NJ 07446

09/10/2001

1000.00

INSIGNIA/BROKER

22990302450

BAGHDASSARIAN, LEVON

FORT LEE
NJ 07024

07/07/2006

2000.00

NOBEL SYSTEMS/SOFTWARE SALES

27020062565

BARONIAN, SILVA

MONTVALE
NJ 07645

10/29/2007

1000.00

A-VAN WOODWORKING/CARPENTER

28020070718

BARSAMIAN, ARA

MORRISTOWN
NJ 07960

10/27/2006

200.00

REFINERY AUTOMATION INSTITUTE/ENGI

27020062978

BARSAMIAN, ARA

MORRISTOWN
NJ 07960

10/12/2006

500.00

REFINERY AUTOMATION INSTITUTE/ENGI

26021071884

BASRALIAN, JOSEPH

HACKENSACK
NJ 07602

04/08/1999

500.00

WINNE BANTA RIZZI ETC

99034720497

BOUJIKIAN, DONALEE

TORRANCE
CA 90505

09/28/2007

1000.00

27020360588

$11,200

CAFESJIAN, CLEO T

NAPLES
FL 34103

12/04/2007

1500.00

N/A/RETIRED

28020070717

CAFESJIAN, GERALD L

NAPLES
FL 34103

12/04/2007

1500.00

GLC ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT/CEO

28020070720

CHADIRTIAN, MICHAEL

WHITESTONE
NY 11357

08/31/2006

1000.00

NEW YORK CITY LAW DEPT./ATTORNEY

27020062713

CHAGLESIAN, VAHE

UPPER SADDLE RIVER
NJ 07458

03/07/2008

250.00

28020173321

CHRISTIAN, STEPHEN

NEW YORK
NY 10023

04/24/2000

250.00

20035631916

$4,500

DAGLIAN, CHARLES

BLOOMFIELD
NJ 07003

02/12/2002

500.00

MILLER & GALDIERI/ATTORNEY

22990713766

DAGLIAN, CHARLES MR.

BLOOMFIELD
NJ 07003

04/22/2003

500.00

MILLER & GALDIERI/ATTORNEY

23991370390

DAGLIAN, CHARLES

BLOOMFIELD
NJ 07003

04/19/2004

500.00

MILLER & GALDIERI/ATTORNEY

24961487730

DAGLIAN, CHARLES MR.

BLOOMFIELD
NJ 07003

03/10/2005

500.00

MILLER & GALDIERI/ATTORNEY

25980473050

$2,000

GAMAREKIAN, CHANES H

LYNDHURST
NJ 07071

10/16/2006

1000.00

CAMBRIDGE PARTNERS/PRESIDENT

26021071947

GARABEDIAN, FRANCIS

CORAM
NY 11727

10/20/2006

-1000.00

ANTAMEX/IRONMAKER

27020062900

GARABEDIAN, FRANCIS

CORAM
NY 11727

10/13/2006

1000.00

ANTAMEX/IRONMAKER

26021071893

GARBOUSHIAN, ARMINE

TORRANCE
CA 90505

01/03/2008

1000.00

LITTLE COURT MARY HOSPITAL/CLINICA

28020173325

GULESSERIAN, V K

NORTHRIDGE
CA 91326

09/28/2007

500.00

27020360592

$4,500

HACHIKIAN, KENNETH V

LAKE FOREST
IL 60045

12/04/2007

1000.00

BELMONT CAPITAL PARTNERS/PRESIDENT

28020070719

HAMPARIAN, RAFFI H

SAN MARINO
CA 91108

11/27/2007

500.00

28020070721

HEKEMIAN, SAMUEL

HACKENSACK
NJ 07602

04/06/1999

500.00

HEKEMIAN & CO INC

99034720525

HEKIMIAN, CHRISTOPHER

WASHINGTON
DC 20009

09/28/2007

500.00

ARMENIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE

27020360589

HOVAGUIMIAN, HASMIG

TOLUCA LAKE
CA
91602

09/28/2007

500.00

27020360588

HOVNANIAN, ARA

RUMSON
NJ 07760

04/03/2000

1000.00

K HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES

20035631947

HOVNANIAN, ARA K

RUMSON
NJ 07760

04/07/2005

1250.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

26020362531

HOVNANIAN, ARA K

RUMSON
NJ 07760

04/15/2004

2000.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

24961487707

HOVNANIAN, ARA K

RUMSON
NJ 07760

04/20/2007

1250.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

27020233815

HOVNANIAN, ARA K.

RUMSON
NJ 07760

03/21/2002

1000.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

22990713751

HOVNANIAN, ARA K.

RUMSON
NJ 07760

03/02/2001

1000.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

21990274693

HOVNANIAN, ARA K.

RUMSON
NJ 07760

04/29/2002

-1000.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

22991019616

HOVNANIAN, ARA K.

RUMSON
NJ 07760

03/02/2001

1000.00

K. HOVNANIAN ENTERPRISES/PRESIDENT

21990274693

HOVNANIAN, EDELE

MOUNT LAUREL
NJ 08054

10/31/2006

2000.00

27020063114

HOVNANIAN, J S

MOUNT LAUREL
NJ 08054

09/30/2006

2000.00

HOVNANIAN & SONS, INC./CEO

27020062475

HOVNANIAN, J S

MOUNT LAUREL
NJ 08054

10/17/1997

250.00

HOVNANIAN & SONS INC

98032643904

HOVNANIAN, JIRAIR

MOUNT LAUREL
NJ 08054

04/04/2006

1000.00

J.S. HOVNANIAN/BUILDER

26020361037

HOVNANIAN, RACHEL

RED BANK
NJ 07701

04/29/2002

1000.00

HOMEMAKER

22991019616

HOVSEPIAN, ALEX

SANTA MONICA
CA 90405

09/28/2007

1000.00

27020360588

HARPOOTLIAN, RICHARD A

COLUMBIA
SC 29202

06/26/2006

285.00

SELF EMPLOYED

26020751298

$ 20,035

KASHISHIAN, MARY

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS
NJ 07632

12/31/2007

250.00

N/A/HOMEMAKER

28020070719

KASPARIAN, ANI

ENGLEWOOD
NJ 07631

10/18/2006

2000.00

N/A/HOMEMAKER

26021071950

KASPARIAN, DAVID J

LEDGEWOOD
NJ 07852

05/02/2005

2000.00

MDK DEVELOPMENT/REAL ESTATE DEVELO

26020362444

KESHISHIAN, ONNIK

LOS ANGELES
CA 90046

09/28/2007

1000.00

SELF EMPLOYED/EDUCATOR

27020360587

KHACHADOURIAN, VICKEN K

REDWOOD CITY
CA 94062

09/13/2007

300.00

27020360587

KHOPORIAN, VASKEN

EDGEWATER
NJ 07020

10/18/2006

300.00

VK JEWELERS/PARTNER

26021071976

KOUSHAGJIAN, KAVORK G

NEW MILFORD
NJ 07646

10/29/2007

300.00

KEVO DEVELOPMENT CORP/CONTRACTOR

28020070720

KASPARIAN, DAVID

LEDGEWOOD
NJ 07852

05/19/2006

2100.00

MDK DEVELOPMENT

26020673044

$ 8,250 // GRAND SUBTOTAL SO FAR: $ 76,231

MAHDESIAN, MICHAEL

STUDIO CITY
CA 91604

09/28/2007

1000.00

SERVICON SYSTEMS/CEO

27020360585

MANOCHERIAN, ALAN MR.

NEW YORK
NY 10023

03/31/2005

1000.00

25980473026

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

04/25/2000

500.00

REAL ESTATE

20035631965

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

03/18/2002

250.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

22990713654

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

04/05/2001

1000.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

21990274796

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

04/14/2003

1000.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

23991370466

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

05/17/2002

250.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

22991377320

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

05/17/2002

-250.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

22991377321

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

03/31/2005

1000.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

25980473049

MANOCHERIAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

04/13/1999

500.00

REAL ESTATE

99034720537

MANOCHERIAN, DONALD MR.

NEW YORK
NY 10023

03/31/2005

1000.00

25980472953

MANOCHERLAN, BERNICE

NEW YORK
NY 10023

05/09/2006

1000.00

SELF-EMPLOYED/REAL ESTATE

26020360986

MARDEKIAN, IKE

NEW MILFORD
NJ 07646

04/14/2004

500.00

MEDINA CONSULTANTS/ENGINEER

24961487638

MARDEKIAN, IKE

NEW MILFORD
NJ 07646

03/20/2006

750.00

MEDINA CONSULTANTS/ENGINEER

26020361395

MARDEKIAN, IKE

NEW MILFORD
NJ 07646

04/17/2007

750.00

MEDINA CONSULTANTS/ENGINEER

27020233842

MARDEKIAN, IKE

NEW MILFORD
NJ 07646

04/07/2005

500.00

MEDINA CONSULTANTS/ENGINEER

26020362416

MARDIROSSIAN, MARIANNE

POTOMAC
MD 20854

09/28/2007

2300.00

27020360585

MEHRANIAN, MARIA

LA CANADA FLINTRID
CA 91011

05/12/2006

2100.00

THE CORDOBA CORP/EXECUTIVE VICE PR

26020360990

MEHRANIAN, MARIA

LA CANADA FLINTRID
CA 91011

05/12/2006

2100.00

THE CORDOBA CORP/EXECUTIVE VICE PR

26020360991

MELKONIAN, FRANK

LA CANADA
CA 91011

09/28/2007

2300.00

CLOSET WORLD/CEO

27020360586

MESROBIAN, MARK S

NARRAGANSETT
RI 02882

11/27/2007

500.00

COMPLETE SOURCING SOLUTIONS INC./S

28020070718

MESROBIAN, STEPHEN A

FOXBOROUGH
MA 02035

11/27/2007

500.00

ASPECT MEDICAL SYSTEMS/DIRECTOR OF

28020070722

MINASIAN, MIKE

ORADELL
NJ 07649

10/29/2007

1000.00

RIDGE EXXON/AUTOMOTIVE SERVICES PR

28020070718

MOURADIAN, K V

VAN NUYS
CA 91407

10/29/2007

1000.00

28020070717

$ 15,300

NAJARIAN, LOUIS M MD

MANHASSET
NY 11030

11/02/1998

250.00

DOCTOR

98034020851

NAJARIAN, TRAVIT

EATONTOWN
NJ 07724

03/12/2001

250.00

21990274698

NALBANTIAN, EDWARD

RIDGEWOOD
NJ 07450

11/04/2006

500.00

JONES DAY/ATTORNEY

27020063002

NAJARIAN, GREGG

WOODCLIFF
NJ 07677

11/04/2006

1000.00

STUDLEY INC

27020152910

$2,000

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

03/21/2005

500.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

25980472851

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

03/18/2003

2000.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

23990714924

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

03/16/2004

500.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

24990998480

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R.

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

03/14/2001

1000.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

23990891072

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R.

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

02/05/2002

1000.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

22990713642

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R.

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

03/14/2001

1000.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

23990891072

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R.

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

02/05/2002

500.00

LIBERTY HEALTHCARE SYSTEM INC./VP

22990713642

PARSEGHIAN, GABRIELLE

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

04/09/2004

500.00

BESLER & CO./CONSULTANT

24961487685

PARSEGHIAN, GABRIELLE

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

02/05/2002

500.00

BESLER & CO./CONSULTANT

22990713778

PARSEGHIAN, GABRIELLE

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

02/05/2002

1000.00

BESLER & CO./CONSULTANT

22990713778

PARSEGHIAN, GABRIELLE

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

04/01/2003

2000.00

BESLER & CO./CONSULTANT

23991370496

PARSEGHIAN, DONALD R.

MATAWAN
NJ 07747

07/11/2002

-1500.00

22992225502

$ 9,000

SARAFFAN, ALEX

CRESSKILL
NJ 07626

10/01/2002

250.00

JUNO ONLINE SERVICES INC./EXECUTIV

22992450621

SARAFIAN, ALEX

PARAMUS
NJ 07652

12/31/2007

1000.00

UNITED ONLINE INC/MANAGEMENT

28020070717

SARAFIAN, ALEX

PARAMUS
NJ 07652

10/07/2006

1000.00

UNITED ONLINE INC/MANAGEMENT

26021071945

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

03/22/1999

500.00

SARKISIAN FLORIO & KENNY

99034720553

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

03/13/1998

250.00

SARKISIAN & FLORIO

98032982120

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

03/13/1998

250.00

SARKISIAN & FLORIO

98032982120

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

05/05/1997

500.00

SARKISIAN & FLORIO

97032200288

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

03/24/2000

500.00

SARKISIAN FLORIO & KENNY

20035444255

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

03/31/2003

2000.00

SARKISIAN FLORION & KENNY/PARTNER

23990715047

SARKISIAN, BARRY

HOBOKEN
NJ 07030

10/14/1997

250.00

SARKISIAN & FLORIO

98032643920

SETRAKIAN, ROBERT H

NEW YORK
NY 10022

10/29/2007

2300.00

THE HELIOS GROUP/PARTNER

28020070724

SHAHINIAN, ARMEN

FRANKLIN LAKES
NJ 07417

10/24/2006

2100.00

WOLF & SAMSON PC/ATTORNEY

27020062977

SHALJIAN, RONALD

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07306

04/20/2001

1000.00

BOFFA SHALJIAN CAMMARATA & O'CON/P

21990274853

SHALJIAN, RONALD

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07306

03/30/2006

1300.00

SHUMANN HANLON LLC/PARTNER

26020362038

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

NORTH BRUNSWICK
NJ 08902

01/13/2000

1000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES INC

20035444253

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

WATCHUNG
NJ 07069

05/20/2002

1000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES INC./GENERAL

22991377355

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

NORTH BRUNSWICK
NJ 08902

10/24/1997

1000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES IN

98032643921

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

WATCHUNG
NJ 07069

05/20/2002

-1000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES INC./GENERAL

22991377356

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

WATCHUNG
NJ 07069

03/21/2002

2000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES INC./GENERAL

22990713643

SUBRAMANIAN, RAVI

NORTH BRUNSWICK
NJ 08902

01/13/2000

1000.00

SILVERLINE INDUSTRIES INC

20035444253

$ 19,200

TANIELIAN, MATTHEW J

BETHESDA
MD 20814

06/30/2006

250.00

CISCO SYSTEMS/GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS

26020672855

TARPINIAN, ARAM

FORT LEE
NJ 07024

04/07/2003

1000.00

SELF EMPLOYED

23991370536

TARPINIAN, ARSHAG

OLD TAPPAN
NJ 07675

10/01/2002

1000.00

22992450621

TARPINIAN, GREGORY

GUTTENBERG
NJ 07093

05/25/2006

1000.00

LRA CONSULTING/CONSULTANT

26020672791

TCHAGHLASIAN, ANI

FORT LEE
NJ 07024

12/31/2007

500.00

28020070722

TCHAGHLASIAN, ANI

FORT LEE
NJ 07024

10/29/2007

1000.00

28020070721

TERLSIAN, SALPY S

CHATSWORTH
CA 91311

09/28/2007

500.00

27020360587

TERTZAKIAN, GERO M

SANTA ANA
CA 92705

11/27/2007

1000.00

28020070721

THOMASIAN, BAYDSAR

GLENDALE
CA 91221

09/28/2007

1000.00

SELF EMPLOYED/CONSTRUCTION

27020360590

TOPALIAN, KRIKOR

TARZANA
CA 91356

10/29/2007

1000.00

28020070719

$8,250

VOSBIKIAN, PETER S

MOORESTOWN
NJ 08057

10/31/2006

1000.00

QUICKIE MANUFACTURING/CEO

27020063096

VOSBIKIAN, PETER S

MOORESTOWN
NJ 08057

09/30/2006

500.00

QUICKIE MANUFACTURING/CEO

27020062767

$1,500

YERANOSSIAN, VARTAN

RIDGEFIELD
NJ 07657

06/04/2001

500.00

21990274668

YERANOSSIAN, VARTAN

RIDGEFIELD
NJ 07657

02/05/1999

1000.00

99034720565

YERANOSSIAN, VARTAN

RIDGEFIELD
NJ 07657

02/05/1999

1000.00

99034720565

$2,500

ZARIFIAN, GREGG

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07304

03/25/2002

500.00

NATIONAL CARPET/OWNER

22990713663

ZARIFIAN, GREGG

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07304

04/07/2004

500.00

NATIONAL CARPET/OWNER

24961487586

ZARIFIAN, GREGG

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07304

03/31/2003

1000.00

NATIONAL CARPET/OWNER

23990714918

ZARIFIAN, GREGG

JERSEY CITY
NJ 07304

04/06/2006

500.00

NATIONAL CARPET/OWNER

26020361135



Comments
1.
Jay_C August 5th,
I’m glad to see you guys doing coverage on such issues. Not that I’m saying anyone here is, but it would be naïve to think that this exception, rather than the rule when it comes to any politician (Senators, Congressman, Presidents, Alderman, for your local ward, etc). It is a systemic problem. The old, “the other guy does it, so I guess I can too, right?” "It’s how the "game" is played". News flash.., this is not a game… Buying policies is a bi-partisan issue, and needs to be brought to light on both sides of the aisle. I say you guys should do this sort of investigative reporting on any and all instances of this sort. If you did a series on this sort of thing, I would say your readership would increase quite a bit! Thanks again!

2. Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief August 5th, 2008
Jay C; from now onwards, we will look at the financial records of several politicians regularly, and in depth. When something is discovered, and like you I am 100% certain that many other politicians are so bought by some (different but still) interest groups. We will continue to report about that in the coming months and weeks.

3.
Robert August 5th, 2008
Gee, I think I’m in the wrong camp…
After all these years, still didn’t get a cent from the Turkish Gov. !!!

I think we have a clear view here that prostitution DOES pay…

4.
Jannaan August 5th, 2008
Well, wha d you know?..

All these years, whenever somebody unearthed a document clearing the Turks off the false Armenian allegations, the Armenian propagandists intimidated them, or smeared their reputation. While these years, they were the ones who did the buying.

Remember how the Armenians campaigned for John Kerry with slogans ‘from your house to the White House’.

I wonder, how they bought Barack Obama? I hope he learns the truth before it is too late.

Has anyone read the list of politicians Harut Sassunian recommends the Armenians to work on in his column, a few days ago?

Could someone please check out psychiatrist Izrael Charny’s records. Even though he knows nothing about the historical events of 1915, he is very vocal todeclare the events as Armen geno.

I have no doubt that Taner Akcam is a sucker for he almost reached American Green Card status from being in jail for abductication of an American Embassy personnel in Ankara in the 70s. The Armenians have been vely vely good to enemies of the Turkish Republic.

5.
Ertugun August 6th, 2008
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we do an investigation of Michael van der Galien’s financial records to see how much he is being paid by the Turkish government to run this website and spew out all the Armenian Genocide denial propaganda. I bet we would find some really interesting facts there. Or maybe if he has the courage he’ll reveal all this himself in the name of citizen journalism by running an investigative piece on himself.

6. Hally August 6th, 2008
Well, Michael, I have to hand it to you. Excellent article with some very excellent information about Menendez’s bias, no, no make that BIA$$$$.

Oh Ertugun, wake up and smell the coffee. Not everyone is corrupt like Menendez and those who bought him.

If anything, the Turkish government would more than not like to shut Michael up so he stops criticizing the Islamic ways of the AKP.
$136,000 for one pol, now there are 50 Senators and 435 and something odd House of Representatives. Sheesh, that’s some serious cash (136kx485=$66M).

Maybe the diaspora should send that money to Armenia to feed the poor instead. It certainly would be a more useful and effective way of using the money.

7. Hally August 6th, 2008
Oh, this is too hilarious!

The links actually work and lead you to pdfs of the original documents.

8. Hyola August 6th, 2008
Wow - very compressive records of donors - of course all legal. Here’s some illegal/foreign agents influencing the US government type fodder:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9774.htm
www.democracynow.org/2005/8/10/did_speaker_hastert_accept_turkish_bribes
www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0804-06.htm
www.libertycoalition.net/sibel-edmonds-case-dennis-hastert-receive-payoffs-services-rendered
www.talkleft.com/story/2005/08/03/607/55336

9. Lucrèce August 6th, 2008
Good job. However, if Mr. Menendez is almost a caricature, the ANCA and the AAA contributed to the campaign of many other US politicians, both Democrats (Nancy Pelosi) and Republican (Arnold Schwartzenegger). It would be necessary to document this other financial supports.

10. Kiraz August 6th, 2008
Does anybody care that the Armenian genocide thesis has already become an economic sector in which 1288 lobby foundations are working in the United States alone. The Armenians spend 3-6 billion dollars annually for their activities (www.haberler.com/sozde-ermeni-soykirimi-iddialariyla-ilgili-bin-288-haberi/). This amount of money is more than enough to save Armenia from poverty.

If the Armenians were sure of their thesis, why have they spent that much money and hired 1288 lobby foundations only in the US, instead of simply going to court? What is the reason of their insistent refusal of Turkey’s suggestions to discuss these events together with historians from both sides and historians from other countries?

It is not surprising that they spend much to organize and give financial support to politicians. However, I am not sure that the Armenians spend money only to support the politicians. Here are the reasons of my suspicions:

The archives of Dashnak Party is present in Zorian Armenian Institute in Boston. Both Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation offered the Armenians to open these archives years ago; but the directors of the Institute replied that they did not have enough money to open the archives. Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation promised financial support. Zorian Institute rejected this offer too (www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/418517.asp).

However, is it not interesting that Zorian Institute who claimed not to be wealthy enough, financed Taner Akçam who advocated the Armenian claims in Minnesota University up till now, as confirmed by the authorities of the university?

Thus, is it not obvious that the real purpose of the Armenians is not justice and the truth! Instead they want the public to accept the history which was ordered and rewritten by themselves as they wished to have been. So, they claim that the historians who do not support the Armenian thesis, could be paid agents of the Turkish Government.

This accusation forces us to ask why the historians who support the Armenian thesis are exempt from this logic. Why overlook that they could be bought by the Armenians? Is it not a possibility, since Armenians have been investing that much money on this sector? And is it not striking that Turkey is considered insufficient to neutralise the activities of Armenian Organisations by launching counter activity reflecting its views, by foreigners (www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/world/10168595.html)?

And if all the historians who do not support the Armenian thesis were people hired by the Turkish government, and if the Turkish government pays historians if and only if they support the Turkish thesis, then how has Fatma Muge Gocek, a Turkish origined scholar who supports the Armenian thesis been able to be a board member of the Institute of Turkish Studies financed by Turkish government in Georgetown University, Columbia (www.turkishstudies.org/about.html)? How could she give conferences supporting the Armenian views up till now? She is the second Turkish origined academician the Armenians approve after Taner Akçam www.armeniangenocide.com/showthread.php?t=2471 www.eraren.org/index.php?Lisan=tr&Page=Makaleler&MakaleNo=3008

Can you imagine Taner Akçam, who advocated the Armenian claims in Minnesota University up till now and was financed by Zorian Armenian Institute as confirmed by the university authorities, give conferences against the Armenian thesis?

In conclusion, the question what the Armenians do with 1288 lobby foundations for which they pay 3-6 billion dollars annually, except organizing financial support to the politicians still remains to be answered.
11.
engin demirci August 7th, 2008
It is not surprising that they spend much to organize and give financial support to politicians. However, I am not sure that the Armenians spend money only to support the politicians. Here are the reasons of my suspicions:The archives of Dashnak Party is present in Zorian Armenian Institute in Boston. Both Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation offered the Armenians to open these archives years ago; but the directors of the Institute replied that they did not have enough money to open the archives. Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation promised financial support. Zorian Institute rejected this offer too (www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/418517.asp).

12. East as 1 2 3 August 10th, 2008
You say Armenian individuals and PACs have donated 136K to Menendez in the past 12 years, a good deal of it in election cycles prior to 2006-8 when Menendez started to stand up for Armenian issues. At least one of the names of your list is conspicuously non-Armenian (and almost 10K total amount is his). You act like you have some sort of super special breaking news-worthy story here when your rationale of -ian last name = doing it for Armenian issues is first of all extremely narrow minded and juvenile. Secondly it is also making a huge presumption which in any court of law would be utterly unacceptable.
Worst of all, a simple look at that website will bring up one Turkish PAC alone founded LESS THAN A YEAR AGO which has donated almost 90K to congressmen. That is in ONE year’s time while you had to go over a decade for your Armenian count. Imagine if we got Turkish donation numbers going that far back. It’s not as simple as looking for -ian names but if you look at the politicians that PAC donated to and also the donations towards typically pro-Turkish congressmen (examples being Robert Wexler and Dan Burton) it is not hard for the Turkish names to start jumping out at you on the list. And sure enough unlike this Armenian list where the vast majority of them are from New Jersey (and most of the others NYC which is just over the border and so clearly a NJ senator is a regional interest, they might have businesses there, etc.) none of those Turks donating to those congressmen are from the district.

So what does this mean, that Turks are no different than Armenians and that this is much ado about nothing, or something else? Either way I’d like to hear it.

13. Jonathan Wilson August 15th, 2008
Considering that speakers that go up in front of the ANCA and ONLY talk about the Armenian Genocide for 2-3 hours. It proves that anyone name ending in -ian is most likely (though maybe not always) donating for the "Cause" as some Armenians call it nowadays.

The "Cause" of recognizing a 93 year old genocide, to form the legal basis of which to demand reparations… From Insurance companies, from governments, from individuals — that’s why they spend so much money on this issue, because they believe in the end it will all be worth it.

The Turks donating for congressmen is usually completely difficult to trace. The reason is, most Turks do not have the same Turkish last names, and most Turks vote for who they like and will benefit America. They are assimilated. You have Turks voting for Obama and donating thousands to Obama and who have donated thousands to Hillary and Edwards and other Democratic congressmen. Then you have Turks who vote for McCain and donated thousands for some Republican congressmen.

So as you can see, the Turks are not a one-issue people. The Armenians aren’t either, but a majority of them are.

I dare you to find any financial records of Michael, or of any congressmen that will total over 136,000$.

Please do not spread lies, the Turkish government does not fund senators/congressmen and the Turks do not specifically fund congressmen for certain policies. In fact, there has never been a policy for "Let’s not recognize the Armenian Genocide" but there has always been policies called "Let’s recognize the Armenian Genocide."

14. Baris Tarim August 27th, 2008
Aside from anything, I have to salute the depth of the journalistic work done here. Impressive job Michael…

15. Kemal October 18th, 2008
You say Armenian individuals and PACs have donated 136K to Menendez in the past 12 years, a good deal of it in election cycles prior to 2006-8 when Menendez started to stand up for Armenian issues.

Yes, East 1 2 3, that’s exactly what we say and why Menendez’s support for genocide resolutions has been bought. One usually gets what one pays for after handing over the money, not before.






Money & Votes & the Armenian Issue, August 5th, 2008 By: Kemal
Michael recently wrote a post criticizing the contents of a letter concerning events that transpired between Ottoman Muslims and Armenians during WWI written by Matthew Reynolds, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for legislative affairs to Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As Michael so aptly pointed out-

What’s missing in this letter and in all other letters relating to this event some call the ‘Armenian genocide,’ are Turkish Moslem victims. For some reason, Western politicians do not seem to care much about the tremendous loss of life among Turkish Moslems; about how they were butchered, raped, vilified, tortured, drowned, suffocated, beaten or burned to death. This letter is no exception in this regard.

The post suggests that politicians readily overlook the suffering of Ottoman Muslims, and let’s not forget that there were also Ottoman Jews who suffered as much, for money and votes. One commenter, seems to insinuate that Michael’s hypothesis is inaccurate. So why don’t we take a closer look?

The U.S. Federal Election Commission is an independent regulatory agency established in 1975 to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). That statute limits the sources and amounts of the contributions used to finance federal elections, requires public disclosure of campaign finance information and–in tandem with the Primary Matching Payment Act and the Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act–provides for the public funding of Presidential elections.

All campaign contributions in excess of $249 made to a candidate running for federal office must be reported and, what’s more, information about such contributions are readily available at the Federal Election Commission’s website. In fact, the website has a wonderful search engine that allows one to see who contributed how much to who, in what city and state the contributor is resident, and their profession. In addition, in the U.S., citizens may form political action committees that raise money as a group and then donate funds to various campaigns.

Some time ago, a friend did a little detailed research to determine how much money runs from the Armenian diaspora to federally elected officials. The results were quite surprising. For the 2006 election cycle, a little research uncovered that Armenian political action committees contributed $202,500 to candidates for U.S. Senate and Congress–that number is for Armenian political action committees only and does not include campaign contributions made by members of the Armenian diaspora individually. Please note, that is the election cycle immediately preceding the big brouhaha raised by the non-binding House Resolution 106, pushed by Armenian lobbies to recognize their genocide claims.

Then, there’s Robert Menendez, a great friend of the Armenian lobby. He alone has received well over $136,000 from individual Armenian contributors and Armenian political action committees.

Note, these numbers are derived from the U.S. Federal Election Commission’s website only. That means that these numbers do not reflect contributions of $249 or less, which means the amount of campaign contributions received by candidates from the Armenian diaspora was greater that what is reflected at the Commission’s site.

As one reviews the information at the Federal Election Commission, what’s striking is that individual Armenians very often contribute to candidates who are not running for office from their district and that many individuals simultaneously contribute to both Republicans and Democrats of varying political ideologies-the latter also being the case for Armenian political action committees. So, it seems, these contributions are not necessarily driven by a political ideology such as the desire to support political conservatives or liberals.

As for Michael’s statement about money and votes, definitely money–the money trail is there for everyone to see. As for votes, well, we all know where Menendez stands and he is the beneficiary of quite a bit of money from the Armenian diaspora.

Further information/confirmation can be had by reviewing the Federal Election Commission’s website, but below is some, and definitely not all, of the information on Armenian political action committees that I was forwarded:

2006 Election Cycle

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PAC (ARMENPAC)

ALLEN, GEORGE, SENATE Republican VA 2,500
ALLEN, THOMAS H, HOUSE Democrat ME 500
ANDREWS, ROBERT E, HOUSE Democrat NJ 3,000
BACA, JOE, HOUSE Democrat CA 500
BASS, CHARLES F., HOUSE Republican NH 500
BERMAN, HOWARD L, HOUSE Democrat CA 1,000
BRADLEY, JOSEPH E MR III, HOUSE Republican NH 500
BROWN, SHERROD, SENATE Democrat OH 1,500
CANTOR, ERIC, HOUSE Republican VA 3,500
CANTWELL, MARIA, SENATE Democrat WA 1,500
CARDIN, BENJAMIN L, SENATE Democrat MD 2,500
CHAFEE, LINCOLN D, SENATE Republican RI 1,000
CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM, SENATE Democrat NY 1,000
CROWLEY, JOSEPH, HOUSE Democrat NY 1,000
DELAHUNT, WILLIAM D, HOUSE Democrat MA 500
DELAURO, ROSA, HOUSE Democrat CT 1,000
DOGGETT, LLOYD A MR., HOUSE Democrat TX 500
DURBIN, RICHARD J, SENATE Democrat IL 1,500
EDWARDS, CHET, HOUSE Democrat TX 1,000
FERGUSON, MIKE, HOUSE Republican NJ 500
FILNER, BOB, HOUSE Democrat DC 500
FITZPATRICK, MICHAEL G, HOUSE Republican PA 500
GERLACH, JIM HOUSE Republican PA 1,000
GUTKNECHT, GILBERT W JR. HOUSE Republican MN 500
HERSETH, STEPHANIE M HOUSE Democrat SD 1,000
HOLT , RUSH D HOUSE Democrat NJ 500
HOOLEY, DARLENE HOUSE Democrat OR 500
HOYER, STENY HAMILTON HOUSE Democrat MD 500
JOHNSON, NANCY L. HOUSE Republican CT 500
KALOOGIAN, HOWARD HOUSE Republican CA 3,952
KELLY, SUE W HOUSE Republican NY 500
KENNEDY, PATRICK J HOUSE Democrat RI 1,500
KIRK, MARK STEVEN HOUSE Republican IL 500
KNOLLENBERG, JOSEPH K HOUSE Republican MI 4,073
LOBIONDO, FRANK A, HOUSE Republican NJ 1,000
MALONEY, CAROLYN B ,HOUSE Democrat NY 1,000
MARCHANT, KENNY EWELL HOUSE Republican TX 500
MCCONNELL, MITCH SENATE Republican KY 2,500
MCCOTTER, THADDEUS G HOUSE Republican MI 1,500
MCDERMOTT, JAMES A HOUSE Democrat WA 500
MENENDEZ, ROBERT SENATE Democrat NJ 3,500
MOORE, DENNIS HOUSE Democrat KS 500
OBEY, DAVID R HOUSE Democrat WI 1,000
PALLONE, FRANK JR SENATE Democrat NJ 1,000
PAYNE, DONALD M HOUSE Democrat NJ 500
PORTER, JON C SR HOUSE Republican NV 500
REID, HARRY SENATE Democrat NV 1,500
ROTHMAN, STEVEN R HOUSE Democrat NJ 1,000
SANTORUM, RICHARD J SENATE Republican PA 2,000
SARBANES, JOHN PETER SPYROS HOUSE Democrat MD 1,500
SCHWARTZ, ALLYSON HOUSE Democrat PA 500
SCHWARZ, JOHN HOUSE Republican MI 1,000
SHAW, E CLAY JR HOUSE Republican FL 1,000
SHAYS, CHRISTOPHER HOUSE Republican CT 500
SHERMAN, BRAD MR HOUSE Democrat CA 1,000
SIMMONS, ROB HOUSE Republican CT 1,000
SIRES, ALBIO HOUSE Democrat NJ 500
SNOWE, OLYMPIA J SENATE Republican ME 1,000
STABENOW, DEBBIE SENATE Democrat MI 1,000
STARK, PETE HOUSE Democrat CA 500
SWEENEY, JOHN E. HOUSE Republican NY 1,000
TAUSCHER, ELLEN O HOUSE Democrat CA 1,000
UDALL, MARK HOUSE Democrat CO 500
VAN HOLLEN, CHRIS HOUSE Democrat MD 1,000
WELDON, CURTIS W. HOUSE Republican PA 500
WELLER, GERALD C JERRY HOUSE Republican DC 500
WOLF, JOSHUA L HOUSE Democrat OH 500

ARMENIAN AMERICAN PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE

CONYERS, JOHN JR. HOUSE Democrat MI 100
DINGELL, JOHN D MR. HOUSE Democrat DC 100
EHLERS, VERNON J HOUSE Republican MI 100
KILDEE, DALE HOUSE Democrat MI 100
KILPATRICK, CAROLYN CHEEKS HOUSE Democrat MI 100
KNOLLENBERG, JOSEPH K HOUSE Republican MI 150
LEVIN, SANDER M HOUSE Democrat MI 100
MCCOTTER, THADDEUS G HOUSE Republican MI 100
MILLER, CANDICE S. HOUSE Republican MI 100
PALLONE, FRANK JR SENATE Democrat NJ 150
ROGERS, MICHAEL J HOUSE Republican MI 100
SCHWARZ, JOHN HOUSE Republican MI 100

ARMENIAN AMERICANS LEGISLATIVE ISSUES COMMITTEE

KLOBUCHAR, AMY J SENATE Democrat MN 1,000
MENENDEZ, ROBERT SENATE Democrat NJ 4,123

ARMENIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE PAC

BERMAN, HOWARD L HOUSE Democrat CA 1,250
KALOOGIAN, HOWARD HOUSE Republican CA 4,300
PALLONE, FRANK JR SENATE Democrat NJ 250
RADANOVICH, GEORGE HOUSE Republican CA 2,000
MENENDEZ, ROBERT SENATE Democrat NJ 4,123
MENENDEZ, ROBERT SENATE Democrat NJ 3,500

Comments:

1. Ertugun
August 6th, 2008
For all those ignorant foreigners who don’t understand the American political system, financial contributions to political campaigns is a standard practice so there is nothing new here in this article. Check out any industry and you will see millions of dollars that have been donated. The Turkish government itself, illegally funnels a lot of money to political campaigns because it is illegal for foreigners to contribute to U.S. elections. But as revealed in the media, the Turkish governement funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash into House Speaker Dennis Hastert’s campaign many years to get him to kill the Armenian Genocide resolution. Why don’t you go investigate that fact.

2. hyola August 6th, 2008
Interesting post by Ertugun - and what do you know it’s factually accurate. I love it - it echoes the same themes we saw last year with the Armenian Genocide resolution - the opposition/denialists vitcimizing AMERICAN citizens for appealing to their elected officials to recognize this horrible crime against humanity. While FOREIGN governments were buying their way in to the issue (usually illegally as the above post references) and artificially swaying officials as a foreign government should not really have any say over domestically and democratically elected Members of Congress…

Keep it coming

3. Hally August 6th, 2008
How utterly ironic.

Who are you calling an "ignorant foreigner" Ertugun? What kind of a weird twisted bigot are you? Have you ever heard the term self-hatred?

And, the beauty of your post is that you actually admit it’s an industry, the Armenian genocide industry making campaign contributions to get what it wants; created by profiteers and opportunists for monetary and other material gain. Hrant Dink was right, the diaspora has made itself sick.

You guys talk big but offer no proof–zero, zip, nada. Just the usual nonsense.

4. hyola August 6th, 2008
Ad hominem makes for good drama but doesn’t prove much Hally.

5. Hally August 6th, 2008
hyo,

Word of advice: look up the definition of big words that you think may impress before using them so that you use them accurately instead of ending up looking like a fool.

Bigot may be a small word, but clearly you need to look that one up too.

Good luck.

6. hyola August 6th, 2008
It’s not a "big" word - why are you so angry by the way? I took the liberty of defining it for you below courtesy of Merriam-Webster.com. You referred to the original poster as a twisted bigot without addressing the contentions proffered. That is what ad hominem means…
Main Entry: 1ad ho·mi·nem Pronunciation: \(?)ad-?hä-m?-?nem, -n?m\ Function: adjective Etymology: New Latin, literally, to the person Date: 1598 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

It’s ok keep it coming - the only way to beat denial is to call it out in every single place it rears its head. Here is some nice reading for y’all: www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/17/asia/lobby.php

7. Hally August 6th, 2008
Hahaha!! Ohmygosh, I haven’t laughed this hard for a while.

Sweatpea, look up bigot, then re-read your pal E’s first post.

Then ponder this statement of fact: "labeling foreigners ignorant is bigotry."

If you like filling in the blank, think about this one:

"Calling foreigners ignorant when you are one yourself is ____________."

8. Hyola August 6th, 2008
What did you think of the article showing lobbying efforts and money to Congressmen to deny the Armenian Genocide?

9. Elif August 6th, 2008
Guys, what Kemal is trying to show here is this genocide issue is far from being discussed in international historical conventions where events of before, during and after 1915 can really be revealed. Instead this issue is highly politicized that history is being rewritten over and over again by politicians just to get concessions from Turkey time and again or to get votes from American Armenians.

Armenia can not even open its own Dashnak acrhives, or won’t, which will only support the fact that there is no genocide and even then puts a condition on opening the archives whereby it wants Turkey to open its borders (meanwhile this is a very nice bluff since it well knows that Turkey will not open its borders while Armenia is invading Azerbaijan). Everything here is related to money, land, economy or votes.

If you are after the truth only, then you should find unbiased documents for yourselves to read where you remove yourselves from this anti-Turkish propaganda painted by this hatred ideology.

Turkey, to contrary what the genocide supporters are so intensely trying to picture it as, is far from spending millions of dollars on these accusations. In Turkey, people are so ignorant about this issue (unfortunately we do not have a diaspora like Armenians). They lead their normal lives.

Turkey is not putting any economical pressure on countries not to pass this genocide legislation from their parliaments because it is this so-called ‘undeniable fact’ , western countries are using these accusations against Turkey to get concessions out of Turkey.
If Turkey was such a strong country economically as the Armenian Diaspora is trying to show it is, believe me it would not have this GDP per person, this high unemployment ratio or the most espensive oil price in the whole wide world.

10. Elif August 6th, 2008
Oh by the way, if you are being accused of a crime you did not commit in the first place, of course you are going to defend yourself.

Armenian Diaspora trying to rewrite history so intensely and giving leverage to some countries against Turkey and then Turkey coming and defending itself does not mean that there is a genocide. Many Armenians use this approach of, ‘Ooh Turkey is denying so there is a genocide’.

When you are held charges against for a crime you did not commit, you try to prove your innocence until you will be forced to accept that you are guilty out of torture. This is not denial. This is self defense. Denial is what Armenian Diaspora is showing by rejecting Turkish Goverment’s several attempts of discussing the events of 1915 on an international historical platform.

For today, the torture being applied on Turkey is not that extent but I fear one day Turkey will no longer be able to resist it.

11. Jason, Managing Editor August 6th, 2008
Elif, the matter about the objectionable user name you pointed out has been taken care of. I also edited your comment to remove your explanation, so as to deny that commenter the attention they were seeking in the process of your explaining it.

12. Elif August 7th, 2008
Thanks Jason

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