Yes We Can! By Henry Astrajian MD Jan 15th-22nd, 2010
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Some dream of it, many don’t! When contemplated, many say it is impossible! When brought to focus they give you a hundred reasons as to why it is a losing proposition; the faint hearted freeze at the thought; The ones who have guts to face the . . . issue, don’t have leadership, yet the leadership of the major political parties do not even have it on their radar screen! Or if they do, they tremble before its challenges! The issue on their political platform like Maurice Ravel’s Bolero, is repetitious, rhetorical, and aimless. Yet they manipulate the emotions of their audiences by uttering the cliché rhetoric “Miatsial Azad Angakh Hayastan” (United Free Sovereign Armenia). This is the topic which generates all that is mentioned above, and it is the height of hypocrisy. People would not tolerate it anymore; the political Parties would lose whatever credibility they have left – which is less than that of the Congress of the United States- and the legitimacy of their leadership would further deteriorate to incredulity.
Miatsial Azad Angakh Hayastan!
The concept is right, the cause is legitimate and just, the task is difficult, and to some, who are oblivious to the vagaries of the political situation, it is unrealistic at best. These are people who, given a successful project will give you ten reasons why it will not succeed.
The situation of all these factions is fully understandable; Armenian Diaspora, though fully recovered physically, is severely traumatized psychologically to a degree that mere mention of Turkey generates hatred, disgust, and anger. Even the third generation Diasporan Armenian, talks about their ancestral home in “Turkish Armenia”, and recant the stories of horror, death and destruction that the Turks and some Kurds, mostly of Zaza tribe, have inflicted upon its innocent, most valuable citizens, the Armenians, the Assyrians, and of late the Kurds.
To these people, Turkey is a giant; it is a member of NATO, it is indispensable in implementing the policies of the United States in the region, it is an ally of Israel, it is a counterbalance to Iran, and can check Syria anytime. It has a unique strategic land mass, which enables her to control the Black sea despite the international treaties regulating naval passage. For all these reasons, and more Turkey is untouchable.
This is how Turkey looks from outside! What is inside is another matter. Kemal Ataturk’s pronouncement of Turkey being “Independent, layik, and democratic” has completely failed. Turkey is neither of those; Turkey may be relatively independent, but is neither secular nor democratic. One man one vote does not make democracy, and I am not even talking about Jeffersonian democracy; democracy is a way of life, which Turkey does not have, makes no effort to achieve, and can not achieve even if its rulers desired it, though they don’t.
Claimed secularism is contrary to the realities of Turkish society, which is Islamist, it is Islamist, it is Islamist, despite Turkish official denial. And the dominant sect is the Naqshbandi branch of Islam., which is now in power. This sect has many branches, of which the Golden Chain Naqshbandi-Haqqani, globally headed by Sheikh Nazim al-Qubrisi of Cyprus, is the most influential in Turkey. To this sect belong Necmettin Erbakan ( The mid 1990s Prime Minister of Turkey who was tried and convicted for embezzlement, stashing 140 kilos of gold, later pardoned by his ally, President Abdullah Gul), Recep Tayyip Erdogan (Turkey’s Prime Minister), and Abdullah Gul (Turkey’s President).
It is this clique which has been elected by Turkey’s people, admittedly in a democratic way. So, if Turkey is secular, how did these Naqshbandi Islamists come to power?
The year was 1993. In a rally in Berlin, sheikh Nazim al-Qubaisi was introduced as the lead speaker. A long white bearded, turbaned man with bulged eyes ascended the podium acknowledging the thunderous applause of the audience, by glorifying God: “Allaahu Ekber”, which echoed “Allaahu Ekbar” in the huge stadium, by their pronouncement, you could tell they were not Arabs. He was the epitome of the sheikhs and mullahs of the Ottoman era Turkey, who preached in mosques during the Friday Prayers, calling for the annihilation of the infidel Armenians and Assyrians, and asserting the supremacy of Islam, as being the Deen-ul-Haqq (The legitimate religion) and the Khalif, the Khalif of All Muslims.
His speech spewed rhetorical flame asking the audience to win the battle against the infidels. To me he looked and behaved like the Ottoman General, who rallied his troops at the gates of Vienna, before being soundly defeated.
In the audience, seated in the front row, were non other than Erbakan, Erdogan, and Abdulla Gul; the present top brass of Turkey.
This situation does not sit well with the Kemalists, especially the military hierarchy. Their prophet is the Free Mason Kemal Ataturk whose orientation was secularism European style. To achieve that he beheaded hundreds of sheikhs and mullahs, like Sheikh Qubrusi including Kurds. The mere existence and strong presence of the Islamist government is a prime indication of the death of Kemalism. For some wishful thinkers, it is morbidly wounded, but not quite dead yet; for them Ataturk remains to be their prophet, yet for the Islamists the real prophet is Mohammed, and rightfully so.
There exists bitter enmity between the Army, the guardian of Ataturk doctrine, and the Islamist government, which is the true representative of the people. The army, the guardian of the faith, has ruled Turkey with iron fist, since the inception of the “Secular Republic”. They continue to muzzle free speech; hundreds of journalists, including our Hrant Dink, have been tried and convicted. Utter criticism of the government is construed as “Insulting Turkishness” requiring punishment. This is none other than Pavlovian control of the mind Turkish society is thus split. Turkey’s society is even more fragmented; Kurds and their non-Kurdish sympathizers, on one side, and the establishment on the other.
This clash of faith and philosophy is Turkey’s Main dilemma, and might be cause for its transformation to another entity, especially when the Kurdish Cause is entered into the equation. Could the condition be changed?
This is Turkey to which the corrupt Armenian Government is cow-towing, trashing the Nations interests. See you next week!
About Dr. Henry Astarjian
Dr. Henry Astarjian was born in Kirkuk, Iraq, and attended the Khrimian Azgayin Varzharan. In 1958, he graduated from the Royal College of Medicine and went on to serve as an army medical officer in Iraqi Kurdistan. He continued his medical education in Scotland and England. In 1966, he emigrated to the U.S. In 1992, he served as a New Hampshire delegate to the Republication National Convention in Houston, Texas.
His weekly column "Loud and Clear" appeared in the Armenian Weekly for several years. He was the editor of the short lived "Armeno-Kurdish Chronicle" and has written articles in the Kurdistan Times. For three years, Astarjian addressed the Kurdish Parliament in Exile in Brussels, defending Armenian rights to Western Armenia, which is now inhabited by Kurds and a million-or-so converted Armenians. For three consecutive years, he addressed the American Kurds in California and Maryland.
Astarjian has also been a keynote speaker during April 24 commemorations and May 28 celebrations in California, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. He delivered a speech at the American University of Armenia on "The Kurdish Revolution and the Armenian Cause."
He is the author of The Struggle for Kirkuk, published by Preager and Preager International Securities.
19 Responses for “Yes We Can!”
- an observation for you henry. you start by talking about a united free sovereign armenia and you finish by emphasising the secular v religious divide in turkey. you make several interesting and valid points on both topics, but i find it hard to see the link between the two.
- [...] Turkey’s position on Protocols can violate reasonable terms of ratification PanARMENIAN.Net Asbarez News
- Okaaaay… You’ve stated all the realities on stage today on both sides, Dr. A.. My personal mission for Armenians to accomplish is what’s on that map behind WW! I don’t care if Turkey, the U.S., Britain and especially Israel recognized our Genocide any more. They can deny it all they want, for I know what I’ve heard from my grandmother and her mother to be nothing but Genocide. But for getting our land back, I happen to think NONE of the means utilized by the Jews to finally have a country in 1947, such as a promise from a super power country, migration, terrorism, politics, bribery, diplomacy, purchasing Western Armenia from Turkey as real estate acquisition, etc… will work for us. The only way is war, in one context or another, and again it would require Russia’s involvement… As the greatest window of opportunity became available in WW2, but USSR under Stalin would not give us the green light. We can forget about the U.S. as Armenian doesn’t have oil! Without the Ruskies, we would have to wait several hundred years to be powerful enough to take on Turkey on our own. Ironically, without that Black Sea coast it WILL take that long… We have to think of ways and schemes to turn Russia and Turkey into such enemies that are ready to go to war over something worth and equal to matter of existence and survival as nations!
So Dr. Astarjian, in your upcoming ‘Yes We Can! , I expect you to illustrate how will we ever be able to have our future Armenian generations enjoy living or vacationing in our own Armenian Riviera at the Black Sea and rank among the world’s top 50 tourist destinations…
“You may say I’m a dreamer… But I’m not the only one!” This WILL happen one way or the other. I’m quite sure of it. I only hurt that such reality is not on stage TODAY, for me and my love ones to currently enjoy…
- “destruction that the Turks and some Kurds, mostly of Zaza tribe, have inflicted upon its innocent, most valuable citizens, the Armenians, the Assyrians”
Zaza’s are not a tribe of Kurds, they are not even Kurds. They are an Iranic people. They claim Greater Tsopk’ as being Zazaistan. The northern Zaza’s are Alevi were and are pro Armenian. They did not participate in the Armenian Genocide. They saved well over 20,000 Armenians during WWI. They were victims of genocide in 1908 and 1937. Southern Zaza’s are Sunni. They took part in the genocide.
As for “Turkish Armenia”, this is an archaic term. The proper term would be Turkish occupied Armenia or Western Armenia. The Armenian countries occupied by Turkey are the following: Greater Armenia, Lesser Armenia, Commagene and Cilicia.
Genocide has been committed against all non sunni populations. Armenians, Greeks, Pontians, Alevi Zazas, Yezidis and Syriacs. Alevi Turks are and have been severely repressed. As for the difference between an Armenian and an Alevi “Turk”, leaders of them in the past have said the “difference is that of the width of an onion layer” and that “both are cut from the same cloth”.
We are all Anatolians. Some are pure evil, some are future allies in the destruction of the kemalist state.
There can be no peace without justice for all.
- Sadly, we cant achieve any of our goals when we have such corrupt crooks in power,they need to be thrown out by the people and the architects of these treacherous protocols must be put on trial for treason,they are Serzh,Nalbandian,and Arman Kirakossian,anything less will not do.
- To save Armenian Nation … Armenian People have to “SACRIFICE” few hundred TRAITORS!!
- No you cannot! It is clearly suicidal for you to try to invade Turkey. Are you really serious? When i read this article, I felt like, wow, I do not know anything about the country, the country that i lived in 27 years.
When all is said and done, Turks unite. people can be islamist, secular, communist or whatever. We are all one body. You are just living in a dream that will never be true. Why do not you try to lead a normal life? Just be yourself, realize your power(lesness) against Turkey. Try to be happy in your life, this is how we are living in Turkey
- “I do not know anything about the country, the country that i lived in 27 years.”
This is very true of most “turks”. You and the rest of the citizenry of the turkish republic are completely brainwashed as I shall explain. North Korea and Turkey have much in common. Cult of personality- kemalism, brainwashing a turkish identity on to the vast majority who are not really turks, repressing Anatolian cultures- non Sunni based culture. The turkish government is built on a foundation of blood and lies.
Being a “turk” is just a veneer. The downfall of turkiye is based on removal of this veneer. The soviet union collapsed because of economics. Turkey will collapse because of ethnicity, religion and the sheer weight of the lies of kemalism.
It’s nice that you care about what we do with our time and wish us pursuit of a happy life, great advice, but what could be better then seeing to the destruction of the most genocidal state in world history? Even if my chances of winning are 1 in a million it’s wonderful to be a thorn in turkey’s side and get turkey upset and its brainwashed people to see the error of their ways.
Afterall, who would have thunk it that the Soviet Union would disintegrate? ;)
Evil states come and go quicker than most. Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany and soon Kemal’s “turkey”.
- It is not easy to push a nation to the wall. Wait and see. Soon, Armenians will invent weapons that will paralyze our old friend upon going online. Of course, we will discriminate against one lucky Turk for London museum. You should start praying. You could be the lucky one. We must have learned something from our old friends.
- Very BIG LIE!!
- Both Shant Melkonian and Dino Ajemian; I echo your dreams and aspirations as I have for as long as I have been on earth! Between the Kemalist Masonry regime full of lies and their followers, the leftist Musilmans “Allah U-Akbar and El Deen Al-Haqq” of Sheikh Nazim-El Qubrisi, then the 20 million Kurds right in the middle of Turkey’s throats «????????» I wish and pray that Melkonian’s predictions will come true and Turkey will be fallen completely apart, better yet Turkey and Russia will become such huge enemies to go into war, then we shall finally gain control of our anscestral lands back, and hopefully more than the Wilsonian Armenia. I say May God will be willing… en francais, Que Dieu sera dispose… in Arabic, Insha Allah… in Armenian ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????:
- , Yes you are right. Wishful thinking is also known as day dreaming. Keep it up !!!
- Mr. Turk, what about your dream? Yes. Your dream is Armenia without Armenians. Your forefathers tried it very hard and failed. Please, consult Webster Dictionary for meaning of the word “Turk.”
I predict Armenians have been planning to use internet and realize their dream.
- you go watch what’s happening in your country (Turkey), the army is fighting against the AKP the Islamists. There’s a lot going on in your country – go worry about that.
Whether we dream or not it is our business; you turks stole our historical Western Armenian lands after annihilating the majority of our people on our own lands, and then you stole it and keep on denying the Armenian Genocide for almost 100 years. Know this, we shall overcome and we shall have our Western Armenian lands back one way or another for we are smart and resilient. You go and dream of Pan-Turanism (your impossible) dreams.
- To start with I am not a Turk nor I am an Azeri. Try to be fair to all. You guys occupied 7 districts of Azerbaijan and expelled the entire population from there who were rightly living in their homeland a mere 16 years back. But in the same breath you talk about your rights which you foresook a hundred years back? And you think the Turks will gladly give back with a thank you note? Try to be fair and reasonable In India they call it the Karma
- Hye Shant Melkonian, hang in there… Turkey is a decadent, decayed, decaying nation. It’s collapse is imminent, even sooner than the Turks can see. Manooshag
- I think the deniars are delusional. The definition of delusional is that despite being to told the facts, ones refusal to come to terms with reality. Turks are delusional. They have to accept reality that they cannot exist in this world by their murdering and denying old ways. Ghengis Khan can’t save them now. It is a smaller world. They are despised all over the world and treated as the scum they are. If it were up to me, I would like to see them seek refuge back in the Gobe desert, for their own safety, of course.
Yes We Can! Part II By Henry Astrajian
So, this is Turkey inside out, with the inside being its underbelly; exposed, soft, and vulnerable. Despite its genuine structural weaknesses, Institutional Turkey continues to colonize the non-Turkic inhabitants of Turkey; the Kurds and other minorities, who suffer ethnic, cultural and educational oppression.
For nearly a century we have been in a wake, mourning our 1.5 million dead in the Genocide, but have forgotten, mostly ignored, our “living dead”; a million or so Armenians who have been forcefully converted to Islam, carrying the ID of a Turk.
For nearly a century we have ignored the cries of these people; “Please save us!”, which had resonated in our post-Genocidal conscience. The Nation, which had barely survived the Genocide and in shell shock, could barely care for itself, let alone rescue the lamb from the jaws of the wolf. Despite that, there were some rescues, but not from Turkey. Some Arab tribes, mainly the Mujhhims (Shammars), had saved some Armenian children from the Syrian Desert, Der-el-Zor. My uncle by marriage Dickran, was an accomplice in “Kidnapping” some of these girls from their Arab “Savers”, and bringing them to Mosul.
That was a triumph, but that was all. There were some similar, sporadic anecdotes, but not more.
As time passed their cries echoed fainter and fainter, until now, when, despite the loudness of their cry; “Please save us!” it faintly echoes in the empty chambers of our memories.
Diaspora is oblivious to their calls, and the leadership is ignorant, more correctly inept in handling the problem; they are busy pursuing the cause of the dead in a bloody Genocide, ignoring the cause of the victims of the bloodless Genocide (My uncle called it ‘Red Genocide and White Genocide’) ignoring their inherent duty to do something, something which could take many forms.
We have to learn from the others: the United States Armed Forces do not leave any soldier, dead or alive, behind. Israel has one captive soldier with Hamas, and they are raising hell to get him back. The issue holds a prime importance in their conduct of diplomacy to bring Shallet home. They negotiated the release of a thousand Palestinian prisoners for the release of their single soldier.
In Kurdish American meetings, which I have attended, at least two dozen Kurds have anonymously confided in me that their grandmother, sometimes grandfather, is Armenian, and they consider themselves both Kurds and Armenians. They invariably have questioned, rhetorically, “What have we gained from being Muslims?” These few words speak volumes. I had Kemal, a polite semi-educated “Turk”, who said his mother was Armenian, but “Please keep it a secret”; even though he had become a naturalized American, he was afraid of some kind of retaliation against his relatives in Turkey. A doctor friend of mine from Elazig (Kharpert) told me that his grandmother was Armenian, and the only word he learned from her was “Parehgam” (Friend). There are the Hemshins in the Trabizon area, who have collectively converted to Islam, but they are Armenians, and proud of it too.
Demographic diversity in Turkey- unlike the United States where it is an asset- spells disaster for the country, because of Turks hegemony and colonization of its minority citizens, especially of the not-so-minor population of Kurds who constitute approximately one third of Turkey’s population.
The persecution of this large segment of the population creates nothing less than resentment, hatred, contempt, and armed struggle, the way it has been conducted by the armed Kurds. The dynamics of their rebellion is the same as that of the Armenians who had no choice, but to bear arms to defend their hamlets and villages.
Another persecuted notable group is the Alevis, the Shi’a, not Sunni Alevis who gladly accepted the converted Armenian into their Islamic fold.
There is no doubt that the converts to Islam, though half or quarter Armenian, given the freedom that they deserve, will claim their ethnic origin as theirs, and join forces with the Kurds to reclaim their land. The Kurds realize, and I have articulated this in my speeches to the Kurdish Parliament in Exile (Brussels), that our causes meet, and that our causes are intertwined, that we have a common enemy, and that we are a de-facto presence in Anatolia, and that our rights on the land is reserved by the Sevres Treaty, which also gave us the Wilsonian Map. It is clear that a unilateral rapprochement between the Kurds and the Turks, must not be at the expense of Western Armenia. Given all that, we should have no problems with the Kurds.
It is incumbent upon our leadership to pursue the matter in earnest and fight for it as if the White Genocide is the continuation of the red Genocide. We are already a century late.
Some say it takes a miracle. Others who have the faith say yes we can! Yes we can take back Western Armenia, but only if we have the resolve, if we have the guts, and if we mobilize our forces, in toto. Yes we can succeed in re-creating Western Armenia, which then can fulfill the promise of Miatsial Azad Angakh Hayastan (United, Free, and Sovereign Armenia) in earnest. Until then the title remains as it is; a slogan.
22 Responses for “Yes We Can! Part II”
- And what about those who refuse to join you and say that they are content with their situation? How will they be dealt with?
- If they are content with their situation… then… let them stay where they are…. there are so many like them in Yerevan. Perhaps some day their children/grandchildren will join us who will cherish our Historic Homeland, where our forefathers have spilled their blood to protect the Armenian Nation for thousands of years.
- The article discusses taking over land from another country. My original comments apply mainly to the people living on that land, since that is the subject of the article, but my comments can also apply, as you interpret them, to the people who will supposedly be motivated to participate in an armed invasion of another country. But how will the people already living on that land be dealt with if they are content with their situation, meaning that they will see a sudden change in government as a threat and will likely not accept it? How will they be dealt with?
And you don’t really answer the question of how those who will supposedly be motivated for war be dealt with if they refuse to participate in an armed invasion. Will they be required to finance the armed invasion? What if they refuse?
- Absolutely let us not forget Western Armenia and even more so, let us work for it’s return to Armenian sovereignty. The Kurdish people are connected in this issue as well. Let Armenians and Kurds sit down together and talk these issues through, create a plan, then implement it. An important part of this would likely be to reclaim those of Armenian ancestory who would like to again be Armenians. Let us encourage and help them in any way we can.
Just imagine what it would be like for Turkey to suddenly wake up one day with over a million Armenians within it’s borders. It’s achievable. Lets make it happen.
- In about a 100 years there are 4 generations, if the first /second generation were Armenian, the identity keeps on getting diluted as you go along with the 4th generation knowing nothing of their predecessors. I agree with La, you always have the silent majority who are content with their situation how will you deal with them
- The Turkish Oppression, the Kurdish revolt keeps them on their toes, not to mention frustration of their survivor parent’s clan being wiped-out!
- “We should have no problems with the Kurds?” Go read your history and don’t be naive!
Further, how do you propose we administer a Western Armenia with 12 Million Kurds? They will be the majority!
- Panos, you are mistaken…most Kurds live further south of historical Armenian lands, close to the Iraqi and Syrian borders.
If you look at the Wilsonian map, most of Turkey’s 20 million Kurds live “just about” south of the (Wilsonian) border. There are, however, Kurdish tribes, that live on land leased from the Turkish landowners. These tribes will absolutely have no problem vacating Armenian lands if asked. I as a Kurd, have absolutely no problem packing up and moving out. The Wilsonian map clearly shows all historical Armenian lands, and they belong to you, and every inch of it, too.
However, historical Armenian lands, from Black sea and on, are inhabited mostly by ethnic turks, and in the Black sea area of historical Armenia, there still are Islamized Armenians called the Hamshen, who number about 100,000(???) I have had the opportunity to visit and meet Hamshens, some of whom speak the Western dialect of the Armenian language. Some believe that Mesut Yelmaz, the former premier, is a Turkified ethnic Hamshen Armenian, at least that’s what we’ve heard from turks. But he has to keep a low profile to survive as a politician in Turkey.
Do not let the turk divide Kurds and Armenians with their dirty tricks.
They already are at work telling us Kurds that Armenians will come and throw us out. Most of us, don’t believe one word coming from the mouth of a turk, but some uneducated and naive Kurds will heed to this dirty propaganda and betray us all.
Armenians should start building friendship bridges with the Kurds, and soon.
- The Population of Wilsonian Armenia is 4.9 million. Pontos and Lazistan is about 1.6 million and the Armenian Highlands 3.3 milion. Many historical Armenian villages are deserted till today. Many of the depopulated kurdish villages are originally Armenian villages. The Armenian section of Van is empty. Todays Erzincan is located away from Armenian deserted Arzinga. Because of wonton destruction of Armenia in 1915 many of our ancestral towns are empty. If you factor in our allies, those of the Alevi confession, the Hemshins and the empty areas, Armenians would control the majority of the land and population base outside of a few large cities. As part of a reparations plan funds will be available to buy out Sunnis and relocate them in central Anatolia. As is the case of Ajaria in Georgia, with religious freedom of the liberated wesern portion of Greater Armenia a large portion of those remaining will convert to Chrisitanity and retake an Armenian identity. The Trabzon greek moslems will convert back to Greek orthodoxy. The evidence is clear, Ajaria was 70% moslem, today after 20 years it is 65% Christian without an influx of new people. So in the case of turkish occupied Wilsonian Armenia an Armenian majority and friendly minority groups will exist in a short time after liberation. As a cartographer I am working on defining and delimiting Wilsonian Armenia based on the historic and present geographical data in terms of pre 1915 villages and post 1915 developed villages and towns.
- 12 million Kurds don’t belong in the Partser Hayk area. If and when Western Armenia is ours again, then this will be as it was for thousands of years the land of Armenians; I am thinking now of Wilsonian Armenia. Kurds belong in the southern part of today’s turkey, not in Wilsonian Armenia or in Partser Hayk.
- Once again, we are falling into the turkish games and politics. They are working day and night to build a gap between our two peoples.
To make this clear to my Armenian friends, here is where most of my people live.
[ Most of us live south of the historical Armenian borders, south of the Wilsonian borders. However there are Kurdish tribes, the ones that move from one place to another, and they have no permanent homes. These tribes lease these Armenian lands from the turkish occupiers. The Wisonian Armenian lands overwhelmingly belong to turkish government and absentee turkish landlords.
Besides, we have no problems at all moving out, if asked.]
Turks are already at work using these kind of messages to frighten us Kurds. They will use every imaginable article and post to scare us of the impending Armenian onslaought. So, I ask my Armenian friends, do not feed the turkish fires with Armenian gasoline.
Our turkish occupied lands lie close to Iraqi and Syrian borders, where most of turkey’s 20 million(and not 12 million, which is a turkish manufactured lie) live.
DO NOT TRUST ONE WORD COMING FROM THE MOUTH OF A turk.
THEY WILL NOT HESITATE TO COMMIT ANOTHER GENOCIDE IF GIVEN THE CHANCE.
NOT ONE INCH OF YOUR LANDS SHOULD GO TO THE turks.
- Partser Hayk is a province of Greater Armenia. It’s population is not 12 million but 800,000. 80% turkish 20% kurdish. You must mean Medz Hayk. Outside Wilsonian Armenia in the proposed kurdish autonomous region, a portion of which is the rest of Greater Armenia, the bulk of our allies the Alevis and hidden Armenian live there and would prefer to be part of an Armenian state. That area is identical to our historical Greater Tsopk`.
Turkish occupied Greater Armenia (not Wilsonian Armenia) has a population of 5.5 million. Two million are our allies, hidden Armenians and Alevi’s. The 3.5 million can relocate to central Anatolia which would be less of a burden than the 500,000 turks who came from Greece after the population exchange between Greece and turkey in 1923. It would be infinitely easier than what Greece had to endure with a 25% increase in the 1923 exchange. In my proposed relocation it would only be a 5% increase. Besides the legal relocation of 1923, 12 million germans were relocated from lands given to Poland after WWII. So there is precedent. Genocide can never go unpunished. The turks know this, that is why they work so hard to finish what they started against the Armenian people. So the numbers are not as “sheer” as you wish them to be. The worst enemies of the Armenian people are not turks but Armenians who put obstacles in the way of Hye Tahd. It’s like they are working for the barbarians with their lies, half truths and defeatist sophistry. We can win this! We can do it! Yes we can! Ignore the defeatists and ignore the parties and lets work together defending our Ethos and Ethnos. It’s is possible. Back in the 80’s the same people who said Armenia could never be an independent state and that the soviet union would never allow the tricolor to fly again are the same people who say if Western Armenia is ours who would move back? It would be full of moslems, Armenia would become kurdistan etc etcetera. My answer is dont worry about that, lets work on dividing and destroying the genocidal turkish government. The rest we can sort out later.
- I agree with Panos. By the sheer numbers Western Armenia would become Kurdistan. Please don’t even think about it. Let people live their lives after so many years.
- I am a soul from genocide
“ The Powerfulls insist to rule,
but never this time,
We are all citizens of this Earth
We have Humanitarian role
In any land, we smelled their grass
Or sandy dusts!
We can all unite to rule
We pretend to be happy
But still we look to our Star
Which will never fall
Unless we wanted it to fall!
- I heartily congratulate who draw this diagram; I thought first the photo is Henry Astarjian’s Uncle, Dr. Astarjian. I remember he had a palace in Mosul (Naynawa) in Iraq.
But looking carefully it is the president W. Wilson standing and pointing.
My grand parents have a land in Diyarbakir and we still have the Tapos (official documents of the lands).Belonged to lawyer Garabed Dabbaghian who was slayed.
- I miss the sharpness you had in the fist part. An armenian cant be islamic.. Panos how did the jews get rid of all those arabs from their lands (israel)?
- “Please save us! wow what a bunch of cheap propaganda, lets stop hating please.
- actually guys its very simple.
when Armenians get western Armenia back, will fight for the wrights of the Kurds as well, and give them refuge statues and stand for their wright to a homeland in south Turkey joined by their brothers in north of Iraq. Everybody deserves a country to call homeland.
We never tried to convert anyone and for our brothers who converted by force or else will be welcomed and given equal wrights, if they wish. We are no Turks we believe in diversity and the power than it has.
Armenians and Kurds need to be working together against a comen enemy for a comen cause.
- Dr. , any land that you owned in Diyarbekir, will be returned to their rightful owners(you). I am sorry and ashamed that Kurdish families occupy your houses. The lands, quite possibly belong to absentee turkish landowners. Unlike Turks, we really feel sorry for occupying and living in houses that belonged to Armenians.
These are issues that can and will be rectified once we throw the Genocidal turk out of our houses forever.
I assure all Armenians, that not one single Armenian will be molested by Kurds. The days of turkish treachery and lies are over and we are aware of their dirty tricks. We will never be a tool in the hands of turks, never ever.
Jaques, your words really touched me, I am greatful for your very kind and generous words. We did great harm to the Armenians, we know about it, because we were used quite skillfully by the turks. We lived side by side with the Armenians for thousands of years, and never in our histories, did we or you attempt to annihilate the other. Armenians were to us, and us Kurds were to you, worthy oponents….until the appearance of this viceous and violently murderous turks, then all hell broke loose.
In any case, if my people inhabits a house, or owns land that belonged to the Armenians, we will gladly move out if and when asked..
Let us all leave our petty squabbles at the door, and concentrate on how to ask these turks, to leave our lands and accept the dirty deeds(Genocides) their garandfathers committed.
- My question is to all Armenians. All these years all over the world you are striving to take eastern part of Turkey, half of Azerbaijan, Javakhetia from Georgia or go even further create Great Armenia from Sea to Sea (Black sea to Caspian sea). Even if hypothetically speaking you would be able to accomplish this Great Armenia how do you expect to reside big part of South Caucasus and Eastern Anatolia with two million Armenians living in modern Armenia. Ohh maybe Armenian Diaspora living in the States will move to the mountains of Eastern Anatolia and live with their Kurdish peshmerge brothers. The lands that Armenians are claiming are currently habited by at least 20-25 million non-armenian population. What are you going to do with those people? Kill them or expel them to somewhere else.
(Turks and Tatars back to Mongolia and Eastern China, Kurds to Iran and all the Georgians to Tbilisi). My suggestions to you live those people alone. None of the nations living in the region will evaporate to somewhere else; armenains as well as other people of the region have to find the ways peacefully coexist together. The people of the region have only one way for survival: pease, respect and mutual cooperation between each other or else as we have always seen they will be easy target for big powers and live in poverty and misery forever.
I hope you stop being prejudice and post my comments
- I will dispell the myths you have created. Turkish occupied Greater Armenia has a population of only 4.9 million not 20-25 million. 7% of ROT’s population 6% of ROT’s GDP and 12% of ROT’s area.
It’s debatable as to the present population numbers of ROA. The carrying capacity of ROA is 800,000 according to my calculations. Armenians in ROA and Russia, Europe and the Western Hemisphere would be sufficient to repopulate Greater Armenia presently occupied by Turkey. Easily 2.5 million will return. One half from Armenia and the other half from the diaspora. We had no problems with Alevis east of the euphrates and previous turkish governments were always fearful of Alevi-Armenian cooperation. Hidden Armenians , Yezidis, Assyrians and Alevis can and will have a place in Greater Armenia. The turkish government would be bound to remove Sunni turks and turkified kurds to central Anatolia. After all 12 million Germans went peacefully out of eastern Germany so that Poles could take their place. Its been done before. LEGALLY. There will be peace, respect and mutual cooperation when the turks no longer control lands that they dont deserve- ethnically, historically and by acts of genocide. No one and no country would “evaporate” as you say. Anyway those issues are not your problem. Thanks for the concern though. This is all very possible and the turkish government knows it. Thats what all this struggle with genocide recognition is all about. Your dark clouds hold no lightning, nor thunder, not even rain.