25 February 2011

3226) Jake Threefeathers: A Thoughtful Perspective

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Here is a compilation of comments written by Jake Threefeathers in response to an article promoting genocide.

His perspective, arguments and analogies are unique, well thought out and brilliantly sarcastic.

Hally
Comments in Bold by Jake Threefeathers

Robert 03/30/2010 03:57 PM
Great Article, I agree the topic should not be politicized in respect to those who've perished and their families. It's a shame.
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Berge Jololian 03/30/2010 04:33 PM
Can you imagine if back in the days of West Germany during the height of the cold war, the United States refrained form condemning the Holocaust for fear of upsetting or offending a strategic NATO ally?

The International Association of Genocide Scholars and seven former presidents of the IAGS have unanimously concluded the verdict of genocide, and repeatedly called on the Turkish state to acknowledge its crime of Genocide.

Jurist Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish descent, and Holocaust survivor coined the word genocide specifically to describe the destruction of Armenians and the barbarity that befell upon them at the hands of the Turkish State. Prior to coining the word genocide, prime minister Winston Churchill and world leaders referred to the destruction of Armenians as holocaust.

Denial is not just the simple negation of an act; it is much more the consequent continuation of the very act itself. Genocide should not only physically destroy a community; it should likewise dictate the prerogative of interpretation in regard to history, culture, territory and memory, as the victims Armenians never existed.

The Turkish have not only murdered humans, destroyed an ancient culture and civilization, and rewritten history, but the Turkish continue to legitimize the act as well as the racist ideology that led to the act.

Denial is the final step in the completion of mass extermination, and the first step towards the next genocide.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/01/2010 03:11 PM
If it is to be called genocide when Armenians are killed, what should we call it when it is the Armenians who commit mass murder?

Perhaps Taleen Khalafian can answer this question : How many Turkish, Kurdish, Jewish, Muslim, Circassian, Tatar, Azeri, Laz, Turkmen, Slavic, Manav, Bosniak, Albanian, Farsi, Arabic, Manav, Georgian citizens of the Ottoman Empire were slaughtered by the goons of the Armenian terror gangs like the Dashnaks and Hunchaks? The Armenian terrorists of that era make Osama bin Laden and his hoodlums look like mickey-mouse operators. The Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak butchers massacred old men, women, children, infants. When will the shameless, shrill, pushy, arrogant Armenian lobby own up to those crimes?

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Joseph Glatzer 04/02/2010 12:00 AM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
How many Germans did the Jews kill in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? This is idiocy. You're too afraid you'll get beat up at the Glendale Galleria so you don't put your real turkish/azerbeijani name. How pathetic. At least have the intellectual honesty to attach your name to your genocide denial.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/02/2010 05:48 AM in reply to Joseph Glatzer
How typical! Whenever someone rejects the outlandish Armenian allegations and pure, unadulterated Armenian dogma, he must be threatened with physical violence. No, Joseph, I am not afraid of being beaten up by Glendale Armenians, because I steer clear of Armenian wolf packs. They tend to be very brave when they constitute a wolf pack. However, I am afraid of Armenians bombing my house and threatening the lives of my family, as they bombed the house of Prof. Stanford Shaw of U.C.L.A., simply because Mr. Shaw refused to buy Armenian dogma.

Mr. Glatzer, Your self-defense argument is not apropos. Warsaw Jews were not murdering old men, women, children, infants; they were fighting against armed soldiers. However, the Armenians were indeed slaughtering old men, women, children, infants. Only in the depraved mind of a hatemongering Armenian fanatic would this be deemed self-defense. Rest of decent humanity would not buy this argument. To boot, your self-defense argument is tantamount to Lt. Calley claiming self-defense as he mowed down Vietnamese women, children and infants in the My Lai massacre.

Speaking of Jews and Germans, when are the Armenians going to acknowledge, apologize and pay reparations for the crimes committed by the notorious, Nazi-employed 20,000-strong ARMENIAN BRIGADE? During WWII, these Armenian goon squads were tasked by the Nazis to hunt down and exterminate Jews in German-occupied countries. To the satisfaction of their Nazi employers, these Armenians went about their grisly task with relish and gusto.

When are the Armenians going to apologize and pay reparations for the crimes committed by French Armenians during France's genocide of Algerians, 1954-1962? Some of the Algerian victims are still alive today - albeit maimed and disfigured due to torture at the hands of the French and the French Armenians.

Speaking of Glendale, as Taleen Khalafian claims the high moral road, she and the rest of the Armenian usurpers/colonists/interlopers ought to keep right on walking that road until they exit the land stolen from the Native Americans, who were the victims of a genuine genocide - the mother of all genocides - that of the American Indians. and as they pack up to leave my land, they ought to pony up that 40 acres and a mule that were promised to the Africans whom they enslaved.

It takes chutzpah the size of pre-surgery nose of Cher Sarkissian and the size of post-surgery derriere of Kim Kardashian for these Armenian hypocrites to claim Turks stole their 3 thousand year-old "historic land," even as they sit on the stolen THIRTY THOUSAND year-old historic land of my people. If Armenian claims against Turkey are valid, my claim against these genocidal Armenian usurpers/interlopers are doubly valid. After all, what's sauce for the Turk, should be sauce for the Armenian hypocrite. Ne c'est pas?

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Ozgur Dengiz 04/02/2010 06:38 AM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
Jake Threeinch,

You are a racist. It's time to see your psychiatrist.
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Joseph 04/02/2010 11:55 PM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
So you're saying Armenians did the Holocaust? Armenians enslaved Africans in America? Did Armenians also kill Kennedy and Jesus Christ? What the hell is wrong with you? You are dangerously unbalanced and I agree that it is really time you take your medication.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/03/2010 06:17 AM in reply to Joseph
Dude, sarcasm is not your forte. Don't give up your day job.

Unless you have a reading handicap, you understood perfectly. So don't twist my words. The ARMENIAN BRIGADE under the Armenian General Dro (Dro the Butcher) was tasked by the Nazis to hunt down and exterminate Jews in German-occupied countries during WWII.

NOw there! Was that simple enough for you to understand?

No, Armenians did not kill JFK or Jesus H. Christ. It was the Turks who done it. Turks also wiped out life on Mars 2 billion years ago. Now, there! Was that simple enough for you to understand?

No, today's Armenians did not personally enslave Africans in the Americas. Nor did today's Armenians personally massacre Amerindians and steal their lands, Just as today's Turks did not personally kill Armenians nor did they personally take Armenian lands. But these facts do not stop today's Armenian from holding today's Turk accountable for events that occurred before he was born. I found that these Armenian slicks are buying this sort of upside down logic at Gagik Gugukyan's falafel shop, so I bought some as well. Going by the same Armenian logic, I should be able to hold today's Armenian settlers/colonists/usurpers/interlopers for injustice done to the Native Americans, the rightful owners of this land. Now there! Is that so hard to understand?

Mon ami, this is called the sauce for goose, sauce for gander rule. What is sauce for the Turk, should be sauce for the Armenian slick. Comprenez vous?

Now, when are you and the rest of the settlers/colonists/thieves/usurpers/interlopers going to pay reparations and get off my land? When are the Armenians going to apologize and pay reparations for the French Armenians' participation in France's genocide of Algerians, 1954-1962?

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Rich 04/02/2010 12:45 PM
To you turkish denialists, the ultimate form of racism, double killing the innocent deaths of Armenians.

You have no shame, no self-respect to own-up to the dirty dog's ottoman empire history.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/04/2010 05:44 AM
A curious lot these hate-obsessed, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist Armenian fanatics. Whenever anyone dares to question Armenian dogma, he gets savagely attacked by these rabid merchants of hate, as "genocide deniers". These people even come up with words that aren't even in the dictionary, such as, "denialists".

But it gets curiouser. These same people who shout, "denier, denier, denier," then turn around and present at Armenia's Yerevan State University, an honorary degree to that most famous Holocaust denier, Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. And it don't get no curiouser than that.

Machiavelli was an amateur compared to these Armenians.

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Joseph Glatzer 04/08/2010 11:52 PM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
you are really the most bizarre person I've ever come into contact with, and that's saying something because I go to CSUN
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Luckylion 04/04/2010 10:24 AM
Oh, please.
You people act like students at my school!
Despite the very biased manner of this article, I think it was very educational.
However, to u all who doesnt know both sides to this story and commenting vulgar and offensive words to TUrks: stop acting like you know everything! Many Turks do think its genocide and so does the Turksih media. So effing get a life outside of the biased world you are so immersed in.
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Luckylion 04/04/2010 10:25 AM
OH, and even Obama was trying to avoid calling it genocide, if you didnt know.
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Kyle James 04/04/2010 01:23 PM
Yes the article is biased - but that is why it is called an OPINION piece.

Even Turkish intellectuals (Nobel Prize winner Orhan Pamuk and others) have accepted and recognized it as a genocide and have advised their own government to do so.

When Obama was on the campaign trail, he specifically stated that if elected President, he would recognize and call it a genocide. As typical with most politicians, now that he is in office he has backtracked - because if he were to follow through with what he initially stated, it would "damage relations with Turkey".

Jake - so are you suggesting that the atrocities committed against the Armenians (death marches across deserts, etc.) in 1915 by the Turks were just a result of what? WWI? (which has been a "get-out-of-jail free card from the Turks for quite some time)? Are you denying that the acts committed from the Turks are any different than those committed by the Nazi's toward the Jews? Look up the meaning of genocide.
For you to bring up Armenians allegedly joining the Nazis, toward the Algerians, etc. has nothing to do with the fact that what the Turks did in 1915 has to be RECOGNIZED. No one is stating that Armenians are without faults...every group has had its share of issues among others in the past. The Turks committed a genocide in 1915 and killed 1.5 million Armenians - you saying that was an ok thing to do? It's that simple.

Were Native Americans driven out of their own land? Yes they were. Is that a recognized fact known around the world. Yes. It's the same thing. Just recognize it and accept it.
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Boby Fredman 04/04/2010 01:37 PM
For the information of those who deny the Genocide:

ANKARA (Combined Sources)—A Turkish lawyer has submitted a claim to an Ankara court, demanding recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

The claim filed by attorney Bendal Celil Ezman calls on the Turkish state to recognize the crime against humanity committed by the Ottoman Turkish government during World War I, to condemn its mastermind, Talat Pasha, and rename all the streets that have been named in his honor.

This court case, which also calls for the removal of every Talat Pasha statue erected in Turkey, is the first of its kind, said Ezman, “Turkey must settle its history and past.”

Ezman is one of thousands of Turks who signed the “I Apologize” online petition launched in Turkey last year. With that campaign, Turks were apologizing to Armenians for the genocide their ancestors committed in the early 20th century.

Asked whether he feared possible counteractions he might face for filing the case, Ezman said: “If anything happens to me, it’ll be God’s will.”

The date of Ezman’s case has yet to be determined.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/04/2010 07:48 PM
Last shall be first. Kyle, you say just recognize it and accept it. Why would they do that if they believe that the Armenian allegation is the Big Lie of the century? They are just as convinced that it is a lie as you are convinced it is true.

On the other hand, your stance vis-a-vis the Native American genocide takes the cake. You admit to a crime and yet you refuse to make redress. You "accept and recognize"that their lands were stolen via genocide, but you still sit on that stolen land and enjoy your ill-gotten gains. The law is clear (U.S. law and natural law.) : When a property is found to be stolen, it must be returned to its rightful owner.

Kyle, you are proof positive that Lemkin did a cockamamie job on his phases of genocide list. In your case, the last phase of the Native American genocide is to admit to the crime but still continue the genocide by enjoying the fruits of the crime. That's genocide and a half, Kyle.

The killings of 1915 were the result of a massive armed uprising by the Armenians, instigated by the Armenian terror gangs of Dashnaks and Hunchaks, among others. With all due respect to our own lost ones on 9/11, it pales in comparison to what the Armenian terrorists did.Not only did Armenians commit mass murder of defenseless villagers, they sabotaged the Ottoman war effort and collaborated with the invading Russian armies.Russian soldiers are not known for their quality of mercy, but even they were aghast at the atrocities committed by the rampaging Armenians - so much so that the Russian commander on the scene gave an ultimatum to his superiors back home : Allow me to pull the rampaging Armenians to the back of the lines or I resign my command.

The government took action to protect the population from the Armenians and to prevent them from aiding the Russian invaders. It ordered a relocation of the Armenians away from the war zone. Yes, many died during the relocation. There wasn't enough, food, enough clothing, medicine. There was disease. There were attacks by Kurdish bands who were seeking revenge for earlier atrocities against the Kurds committed by Armenians.But there was no genocide. I think the rest of the Ottoman population could be a little excused for not feeling too much sympathy for the Armenians, for they were starving as well, and they had not even committed treason like the Armenians had. I submit to you if the Armenians of this country did to the United States today, what the Armenians did to Ottoman Turkey back then, tomorrow we would not be speaking of an "Armenian diaspora". And the U.S. government would not even bother with a relocation.

At the same time, many other Ottomans died of the same causes. The Ottoman soldiers fighting at Gallipoli had to subside on a daily ration of a handful of flour. Yes, Kyle, many Armenians who were innocent died, but Armenians killed innocents as well, and they did it first. Armenians fired the first shot. They drew first blood. Once you fire that first shot, you forfeit your life. You cannot fire that first shot and then bellyache for the next hundred years that the other guy fired back with a volley. That's called war - not genocide. This was a civil war started by Armenians and instigated by Machiavellian Armenian terrorists. As someone said, any civil war, including our own, will look like genocide if you only count the dead of one side. Kyle, how about one of those genocide "experts" of yours start tallying the numbers murdered by the Armenian side?

The Holocaust comparison is the height of obscenity. It is an insult to the Holocaust victims and to the nation of the Turks. Jews of Germany committed none of the above-mentioned crimes against the German state or Germans. Nor did the Jews commit any of those crimes against any other European country in which they were murdered. Armenians of Ottoman Turkey committed those crimes and much more. To boot, Shimon Peres of Israel, when he was foreign minister of that country, rejected the Armenian allegations as "meaningless". He said nothing similar to the Holocaust happened to the Armenians.

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Sammi Cho 04/04/2010 08:05 PM
Feathers - lol. Get.Professional.Help.

You're stating that the Armenians started the genocide? You are ridic.
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Ahmet Ozunoglu 04/05/2010 08:05 AM
Feathers,
You better read some hisory books to get some knowledge. The things that you say can not find in any history book. So, you said that even Turkish intelectuals are wrong? Even France, Switzerland, Germany, Italy and other goverments that recognized the Armenian Genocide by Ottoman Turks are wrong and don't know the history of the world and only you know it?
Go to the library and get some history books and improve your knowledge.
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Joseph Glatzer 04/09/2010 12:31 AM in reply to Ahmet Ozunoglu
It is very inspirational to see a Turkish person writing something like this. Thank you.
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Sita 04/05/2010 09:20 AM
Facts:
The Armenian genocide did happen and there are ton's of documents,historical facts,pictures etc.

Turkey being a muslim nation will never,never,never recognise the Armenian Genocide.

Americans Politicians are brought off every year before April 24 in America to stay quiet regarding the armenian Genocide by Powerful Turkish Lobby in America.

I did not know Turkey is such a powerful country that can buy off America and the rest of Europe to deny the TRUTH of the Armenian Genocide.

Once again money and politics are bigger than the killing of 1.5 million Armenian children,women and men. I guess the western world can really bow down and hold Turkish loppy-pop for support to sustain western civilization. "

America's shouts and bark when it is really to their advantage taking about liberty,justice, human rights and all the crap that come with denying a small groups of wise and proud people called the Armenians who was slaughtered because they the Armenians were well educated, leaders of their communities and the builders of Hagia Sophia of the Constantinople. The Turkish muslims could not bear to see their fellow Armenians in such positions and thus the pre-mediated murder of the Armenian population.
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Memran 04/05/2010 09:29 AM
For God sake, the term GENOCIDE was coined because of the Armenian Genocide. West is no fool, but greedy and inhuman to deny the Armenians victims their justice.

The Armenian Genocide victims will never get justice, they are dead and will remain forever, but the west can surely recogise this crime done to innocents children, women and men by the young Turk Ottamans.

Shame on America !!!!! the sad lady holding the hollow tourch.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/05/2010 12:27 PM
Dear Ahmet Ozunoglu,

I took your kind advice and visited libraries. Unfortunately, Armenians with sticky fingers had managed to get there before me. Any book that portrays Armenians in a bad light,including books written by Armenian authors like Arthur Derounian, seem to disappear by Armenian hocus-pocus. Go figure.

But thanks to Al Gore for inventing the Internet and thanks to efforts by some people, a few surviving copies of such books are found as far as Moscow. Kindly notice that all of the quotes are from Armenian and other non-Turkish sources so that you cannot spout the usual drivel of claiming "Turkish propaganda" I have another thousand quotes, but I can't do all the work for you, good fellow.


"Many massacres were committed by the Armenians until our army arrived in Erzurum... (after General Odesilitze left) 2,127 Muslim bodies were buried in Erzurum's center. These are entirely men. There are ax, bayonet and bullet wounds on the dead bodies. Lungs of the bodies were removed and sharp stakes were struck in the eyes. There are other bodies around the city."

Official telegram of the Third Royal Army Command, addressed to the Supreme Command, March 19, 1918; ATASE Archive of General Staff, Archive No: 4-36-71. D. 231. G.2. K. 2820. Dos.A-69, Fih.3.


"Wholly opportunistic, Dashnag politics have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet — whichever was expedient."

John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), author, Cairo to Damascus Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438



" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"

Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun."


"Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of
1914-15-16."

Kapriel Serope Papazian, Patriotism Perverted, Boston Baker Press, 1934, pg. 38


"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."

Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.


"The Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim population of Russian Armenia as Muslims were considered inferior to the Armenians by the prominent leaders of the Dashnaks."

Mikael Kaprilian, Armenian revolutionary leader, in Yerevan, 1919.



"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul."

Sahak Melkonian, Preserving the Armenian Purity, 1920




"Since all the able Moslem men were in the army, it was easy for the Armenians to begin a horrible slaughter of the defenseless Moslem inhabitants in the area. They ... simply cleaned out the Moslem inhabitants in those areas. They performed gruesome deeds, of which I, as an eye witness honestly say that they were much worse than what Turks have been accused of as an Armenian atrocity."

General Bronsart von Schellendorf , "A Witness for Talat Pasha," Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, July 24, 1921




"It is in our blood to hate the Turks. However, we hate Bulgarians and Greeks also. The Jews like Turks, but they hate Arabs. The Arabs, in their turn, are not in favour with the Turks. And the level of hatred is rising."

Narek Mesropian, described as Armenia's poet laureate, in Golos Armenii, a Russian-language newspaper in Armenia, in an August 5, 1997 article reflecting the tension between the Armenian and Jewish communities. Interestingly, the Turks are not accused of hating anybody.



"...When Turkey had not yet entered the war...Armenian volunteer groups began to be organized with great zeal and pomp in Trans Caucasia. In spite of the decision taken a few weeks before at the General Committee in Erzurum, the Dashnagtzoutune actively helped the organization of the aforementioned groups, and especially arming them, against Turkey. In the Fall of 1914, Armenian volunteer groups were formed and fought against the Turks..."

Hovhannes Katchaznouni, First Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic, The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, 1923. (The Armenian Revolutionary Federation Has Nothing to Do Any More, New York, Armenian Information Service, 1955, p. 5.) "Practically all of the (volunteers were) Turkish Armenians," The New York Times reported, in 1915.



"The Dashnaks and Hunchaks have terrorized their own countrymen, they have stirred up the Muslim people with their thefts and insanities, and have paralyzed all efforts made to carry out reforms; all the events that have taken place in Anatolia are the responsibility of the crimes committed by the Armenian revolutionary committees."

Williams, The British vice-consul, writing from Van. (March 4, 1896, British Blue Book, Nr. 8 1896, p.108.)


"(The Dashnaks)’ aim was by crimes and assassinations to invite Turkish reprisals and massacres, and thus create an international scandal that would attract the intervention of the other powers."

David Thompson, "Europe Since Napoleon" (Alfred A. Knopf, 1964, 2nd. Ed.)



"The Dashnak revolutionary society is working to stir up a situation in which Muslims and Armenians will attack each other, and thus pave the way for Russian intervention "

General Mayewski, Russian Consul General in Bitlis and Van, December 1912; source: Kara Schemsi, Turcs et Armeniens devant l'Histoire, Geneve, Imprimerie Nationale, 1919, p. 11




"'Do you believe that any massacres would have taken place if no Armenian revolutionaries had come into the country and incited the Armenian population to rebellion?' I asked Mr. Graves [The British consul]. 'Certainly not,' he replied. 'I do not believe that a single Armenian would have been killed.'"

Sydney Whitman, "Turkish Memories," London, 1914, p. 74


"The Turks and Armenians got on excellently together... The Russians restricted the Armenian Church, schools and language; the Turks on the contrary were perfectly tolerant and liberal as to all such matters. They did not care how the Armenians prayed, taught and talked... The Armenians were thorough Orientals and appreciated Turkish ideas and habits... (They) were quite content to live among the Turks.... The balance of wealth certainly remained with the Christians. The Turks treated them with good-humoured confidence..."

Sir Charles Eliot, author, "Turkey in Europe" (London, E. Arnold, 1900); regarding the years preceding the Turkish-Russian War of 1877-78.


(The religious toleration of the Ottoman Government) "was complete" (and the state) "never in any way interfered with what the Christians did or taught in the schools or the churches.... it was impossible to desire more absolute liberty of worship or teaching."

Gratan Geary, "Through Asiatic Turkey" (London, M.S. and R. Sampson, 1878)


"The great Turk is governing in peace twenty nations from different religions. Turks have taught the Christians how to be moderate in peace and gentle in victory"

Voltaire



"The Protestant missionaries distributed in large numbers to various places in Turkey made propaganda in favour of England and stirred the Armenians to desire autonomy under British protection"

Horen Ashikian, The Armenian Patriarch, in "History of Armenia." (Mr. Ashikian was probably quoted, and was not the writer of this book, of which there were several... by process of elimination, the book was probably either the 1936 one written by V.C. Vahan, or one by Vahan Kurjian, in 1958. Hovhannes, the Fifth Catholicos of the Armenians, also wrote a book by the same name in 1912.)


"The Armenians of Byzantium have welcomed the Seljuk conquest with lengthy celebrations in the streets and thanksgiving to God for having rescued them from long years of Byzantine oppression. Seljuk Turks gave protection to the Armenian Church, which the Byzantines had been trying to destroy. They abolished the oppressive taxes which the Byzantines had imposed on the Armenian Churches, monasteries and priests, and in fact exempted such religious institutions from all taxes. The Armenian community was left free to conduct its internal affairs in its own way, including religious activities and education, and there never was any time at which Armenians or other non-Muslims were compelled to convert to Islam. The Armenian spiritual leaders in fact went to the Seljuk Sultan Melikshah to thank him for his protection."

Stephanos Taronetsi ASOGHIK, Armenian historian
who recorded his impressions on the arrival of Seljuk Turks to
Anatolia around 1071, probably from his renowned Universal History.




"Czarist Russia at no time wanted to assure Armenian autonomy. For this reason, one must consider the Armenians who were working for Armenian autonomy as no more than agents of the Czar to attach Eastern Anatolia to Russia"

Borian, Armenian historian, author of Armeniya Mejdunarodnaya Diplomatiya; SSSR. Cast 11, Moskva, 1929



"Armenians do not have the right to live in Erzurum."

First order of the Russian General Commandment during the Russian occupation of Erzurum in 1916. B.A. Boryan, Armeniya Mejdunarodnaya Diplomatiya; SSSR. Cast 11, Moskva, 1929, p. 356.




"The Turks had no deliberate policy of genocide at any stage, only the removal of Armenians from the front line with Russia, where they were collaborating with the Ottoman Empire's enemies and were thus a threat to its security."

P. F. Peters, Former Australian Ambassador to Turkey
The Australian, June 9th, 1994



“The Ottoman institution came perhaps as near as anything in real life could to realizing the ideal of Plato’s Republic.”

Arnold Toynbee, suddenly pro-Turk British historian.




"...The economic situation was so dismal that not only many
Armenians, but thousands of Turkish soldiers as well died of the lack of food supplies, disease, and other consequences of poor organization in the Turkish government. In my division alone, after the battle of Gallipoli, thousands died of malnutrition."

General Liman von Sanders, as witness for the defense, in the trial of Tehlirian, assassin of Talat Pasha



"Ottoman Armenians were completely free in the Ottoman Empire and the Turks were the Armenians' only shelter against Russia guaranteeing their traditions, religion, culture and language in comparison to Russian oppression under the Czars."

Vartanian, Armenian historian, "History of the Armenian Movement"




"Few Europeans realized that the Turkish Ottoman Sultan
Suleiman was the head of the most democratic government of their time."

Harold Lamb, American historian and novelist, noted for his biographies of Genghis Khan, Alexander, and Hannibal



"The Armenians were retreating before the Ottoman Army. They were in danger. Yet they stopped whenever they could to kill the innocent Muslims of Erzurum, despite the risk to their own safety. This kind of hatred and madness cannot be explained. It is often falsely claimed that the Turks committed a genocide of the Armenians. Yet this was the real genocide, a genocide of the Turks."

Justin McCarthy, Professor, University of Louisville, "The Destruction of Ottoman Erzurum by Armenians," 2002




“We considered the Azerbaijani Turks as Tatars, yet they were a good people. Armenians, on the other hand, are provocateurs in a single word.”

Frunze, Red Army commander, in a coded telegram to Lenin sent from Batum, 23 November 1921; Russian archives.



“I scolded them for their stupid actions. I explained [to] them the stupidity of wasting on the Azerbaijanis, the weapons that we gave them to use on the Turks.”

Lord Curzon, regarding his meeting with Boghos Nubar and Avetis Aharonian in London, April 11 1920; Bilal Simsir, 'Ermeni Meselesi - 1774-2005,' Sept. 2005, p. 331.



"The Armenians change their position relating to Rome and the Persian Empire, sometimes supporting one and sometimes the other ... they are a strange people"

Tacitus, Roman historian; his Annalum Liber
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Jake Threefeathers 04/05/2010 12:56 PM
Happy now, Mr. Ozunoglu? You complained that you could not verify what I said in any book. Now you know where to look. However, if you are in the habit of cherry-picking only what favors the Armenian allegations and ignoring everything else, you will not be fooling anyone else. You will only end up starting to believe your own hate-filled propaganda. Unlike the hate-obsessed Armenian chauvinists and ultra-nationalist Armenians, who believe that the end justifies the means, I am not in the habit of making stuff up. Cheers! Hai Tad and all that....

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Ahmet Ozunoglu 04/05/2010 01:31 PM
Al Gore invented internet? Wowww you are very smart and know everything.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/05/2010 02:02 PM in reply to Ahmet Ozunoglu
Al gore invented the Internet?

That was a joke, Einstein. A few years ago, Al Gore, to add to his credentials, claimed he had a lot to do with inventing the Internet. He became the butt of jokes for that claim. Everyone on this planet has heard of those jokes, except, apparently you. How old are you, anyway?

By the way, have you visited any libraries lately? Have you been doing a five-finger-exercise in removing books you don't like? The glory of the Armenian nation depends on lads such as yourself. Go remove them nasty books from the library.

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Berge Jololian 04/07/2010 01:14 PM in reply to Ahmet Ozunoglu
You are correct Al Gore did not invent the internet - but the Turkish state created the first template for implementing genocide.

The Turkish savagery and brutality has not been surpassed. Turkey continues to legitimize the genocide as well as the racist ideology that let to the act.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/07/2010 05:44 PM in reply to Berge Jololian
Berge, you are shortchanging yourself and your ilk. You and your ilk did a pretty good job of genociding the Native Americans. When are you going to do the right thing? When are you going to pack your bags and get off my land?

And take your blood feuds with you. If you have a beef with the Turkish nation, go back to where you came from and fight your own battle. Sacrifice your own blood. To paraphrase Otto Von Bismarck : The glory of a "Greater Armenia" is not worth the bones of a single American soldier.



"We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian
atrocities against our people (Jews). Members of our family
witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim... Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his promise to grant themselves government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists."


Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California, letter, San Francisco Chronicle (December 11, 1983). [Armenian guerillas rounded up and massacred Jews in the area of Hakkari; in Trabzon and vicinity they massacred thousands of Greeks. The idea behind these atrocities was to secure an Armenian majority. (Kara Schemsi, Tures et Arméniens devant l'Histoire, Gèneve, Imprimerie Nationale, 1919, p. 49, 41). Jews were attacked everywhere; the Commander of Gendarmerie Regiment at Van recorded: "Some three hundred Jews trying to escape from Akaridan
were captured at the village of Sil and cut into pieces. Then (the Armenians) stacked the corpses." (Aspirations and revolutionary movements of the Armenian parties,. pp. 298-309) ]

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Jim FiveFeathers 04/05/2010 01:40 PM
Jake is only here to fight tooth and nail against anything anyone says because he's WRONG lol. You're wrong and you know it amico. Give it up and go back to playing world of warcraft :)
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Jake Threefeathers 04/05/2010 02:14 PM in reply to Jim FiveFeathers
Dear Jim,

Please elaborate. I will do my best to accommodate you, mi amigo.

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Kemal 04/07/2010 11:25 AM
Dear Jake Threefeathers,

Truth, sarcasm, wit all rolled into one, dude, you definitely are "da bomb"!!!

P.S. - Pun fully intended ... hehehe
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Jake Threefeathers 04/07/2010 06:54 PM in reply to Kemal
Thank you, Kemal. My youngest son's middle name is Kemal.

It takes an immense amount of gall for these Armenians to come to this country and expect the rest of us to join in their hatred of another people. When challenged on the facts, reason and logic, they cannot conduct a debate. They go berserk. They launch personal attacks, e.g. "Turks are Mongols. Go back to Mongolia", "Go take your medicine," "Go seek therapy". This is juvenile stuff. One may excuse this kind of Neanderthal behavior (to a degree) among their juveniles, such as the ones here, but it is not confined only to their juveniles. When they can't answer simple questions, even their elders, such as professors, go into the same Neanderthal mode. These Armenians have to get it thru their thick chauvinistic skulls that one Armenian equals one Mongol equals one Italian equals one Swede equals one Pygmy. Some day, when they grow up, hopefully they will realize that their Armenian priest lied to them in their Armenian schools. Contrary to their brainwashed beliefs, the world does not revolve around Armenians. Contrary to what their priests taught them, Armenians are not God's gift to the world. One Armenian is one human being out of 6.7 billion on our planet. The life and property of Armenians are worth no more and no less than those of the Native Americans.

Not being able to withstand simple questions casting doubt on their odious genocide allegations, they resort to diversions and evasions, i.e. "Jake is not Amerindian; he is a Turk". Blinded by hatred, it does not occur to their thick Armenian skulls that Jake could have a Turkish mother and a Native American father, or vice versa. In the event, how would any of this change the facts of history? If I were not Amerindian but Senegalese, would it negate the fact of the genocide of the Native Americans? Would it negate the fact that these shameless, thick-skinned Armenians of Fresno, Glendale and Watertown are sitting on stolen Native American lands even as they bellyache about stolen Armenian lands? To paraphrase a great American from the McCarthy Senate hearings, "At long last, have these Armenians no decency?"

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alice 04/08/2010 04:31 PM
jake, why don't you reveal your true identity? you fitlhy turk
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Joseph Glatzer 04/09/2010 12:34 AM in reply to alice
lol i luv this comment
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Kiraz 04/09/2010 08:12 AM in reply to alice
It seems Armenians have not become any more enlightened than they were 95 years ago when the British, who then believed eugenics to be a science, taught Armenians that they were a "race superior" to the Ottoman Muslims, which, of course, made it so much easier for Dashnak and Hnchak terrorists to massacre en masse Ottoman Muslim women and children during WWI.

It's so sad that human progress just passed you by, poor bigoted "alice". Perhaps that's why Armenia remains a primitive backwater to this day.

Remember "alice", if you don't learn from your mistakes, you will be forever doomed to repeat them. Then again, you all seem to love to play the perpetual victim.
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alice 04/08/2010 04:50 PM
Jake,

You know, the length of your arguments do not prove anything. Rather, they just show you to be as arrogant and uneducated as your culture (no surprise there). When one denies the TRUTH, that is when we Armenian people stand up, unlike your coward people who deny facts.

Clearly, your intellect is very limited but it is not a problem to go to a local library and search under the FICTION section. There you will find out the true state of your murdering nation. Let me know how that goes!

Additionally, your country's government is as corrupt as its love for war. You say that Armenians resort to violence- but please refresh your memory that my people have not killed 1.5 million of ANY people. So who is the one attracted to violence?

It is truly unfortunate that people like you exist. If your country was so sure that the Armenians were those in charge of the genocide and that WE killed your cowards, then would they truly have such STRICT bans on the word genocide? I think not.

Armenia let's its people speak about the genocide because THEY ARE THE VICTIMS, not your KIllING population.

Do your books deny that happenigns of the Holocaust and the killings of the Native Americans? Wait, do they mention the current genocide in Darfur? What about the genocides in Bosnia, Cambodia?

I mean since they are so artifical, it only makes sense that they hide all historical truths correct?

Clearly, it is YOU who has not visited libraries lately? Wait is that allowed in Turkey? Then again, why wouldn't it be! They fix history according to their preference.

You speak of our arrogance yet you are the one that fails to realize the countries of Switzerland, Russia, Argentina, France, Germany and many more have accepted the Armenian Genocide. Who is arrogant now? Are the countries all mistaken?

In your blood and the blood of your people flows poison. Drink up Jake, to your INHUMANE population.
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American Armenian Turk 04/08/2010 05:33 PM
Three feathers. I'm Armenian but from Turkish descent. You my friend have some
balls, and I live you for this. Shut them up, you did a great job, all these
lobyist do is whine and cry, there time will be up in 5 years and we will all be relaxed . Obama doesn't care ladies and gentleman, unofrtunatly it's like this, so since no one cares Lets drop this matter, and let's bring up the mass MUrDErs by the Dashnaks, let's get those recognized, the Turks would have recognized it of they had done
it, no
man is entitled to admitting to what there GREAT grandfather did. Three feathers, very nice job, nicely done, with proof of legitimaticy.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/08/2010 06:58 PM in reply to American Armenian Turk
Merci, mon ami.

It has become obvious to any observer that these Armenians never learn anything from history. In fact they are dangerously delusional, that is, more dangerously to themselves and to their future generations, than to others.

Today, they repeat the same steps, the same tactics employed by their progenitors 100 years ago and longer - namely, terrorism, hate incitement, dissembling, odious hate propaganda. They try to get other nations and people to fight their fights so that they can obtain their pipe dream of a "Greater Armenia".

This Armenian inability to learn from the past brings to mind a joke told by the late William Safire when he was a New York Times columnist. Here's the joke :

Two Armenian men decide to go bear hunting so they rent a plane and a pilot. They each kill one bear and take it to the plane. The pilot tells them the plane's weight capacity can only carry one bear. The hunters remind the pilot that he had taken the same kind of load last year and they offer the pilot extra money if he would take both bears. Pilot agrees and they take off. Minutes later they crash in the forest. They all survive. One hunter asks the pilot how they will ever find their way out. Pilot says, "Don't worry, I know where we are." Hunters ask how he knows that. Pilot answers, "Because it's the same place we crashed last year".

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American Armenian Turk 04/08/2010 09:00 PM
Hey Alice Turks aren't filthy, have you not been
to Armenia? Full of filth!
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Joseph Glatzer 04/09/2010 12:37 AM in reply to American Armenian Turk
American Armenian Turk = Jake Turkish Three Feathers
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Shak 04/09/2010 07:25 AM
American Armenian Turk = Jake Turkish Three Feathers = Brainwashed Puppet of Turkey's Denial Machine.

You are a lost cause and the reason why the current generation of Armenians and Turks cannot come to a mends through education and communication.
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Kiraz 04/09/2010 08:24 AM in reply to Shak
Oh Shak, ad hominem attacks are so déclassé and so utterly defeatist.
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Shak 04/09/2010 09:03 AM in reply to Kiraz
Nothing is more declasse than the 2nd class democracy the turkish government provides its citizens. imprisoning them for insulting turkishness with its article 301. assassinating authors and editors for expressing their free thoughts. filtering all media and denying their own citizens an accurate history for almost a century.

declasse...
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Kiraz 04/09/2010 10:51 AM in reply to Shak
Listen Shak, if you want anybody to believe you have something to say that's worth listening to, then you need to refute Jake's claims (wow! such a novel thought).

So far, you've just make a lot of empty statements without citing any authority, i.e., you just blow a lot of hot air.

As for laws against "insulting" the state or its institutions, those are common throughout Europe buddy. Seems there are a lot of "2nd class democracies" all throughout Europe.

In Holland's penal code articles111, 113, 131, 132, 137 prohibit insulting the king, insulting a group of people and publishing insults.

In Austria, penal code 248 prohibits "Insulting the government and the symbols of the nation".

In Germany whoever publicly, in a meeting or through the dissemination of writings (section 11 subsection (3)): 1. insults or maliciously maligns* the federal republic of Germany or one of its lands or its constitutional order; or 2. disparages** the colors, flag, coat of arms or the anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its lands, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

In Italy Article 292 of the criminal code deals with anyone who "publicly insults or vilifies"* the national flag or "other emblem" of the state, making such insults punishable by imprisonment for up to four years. It encompasses those who publicly insult or vilify the national colors as distinct from the flag.

In Portugal anyone who by words, gesture, in writing or by any other means of public communication, desecrates* the republic, national flag or the national anthem the symbols or emblems of the Portuguese sovereignty, or in any other way fails to pay them their due respect**, shall be punished with a prison sentence of up to 2 years or with a pecuniary penalty of up to 240 days.

As for your comments regarding censorship, Turkey is a virtual smorgasbord of the free exchange of ideas as compared to your Armenia. Do you have any idea how many Armenian journalists have been beaten, attacked, and threatened so that they will not express their views? Some, like one named Danielian, was beaten to such an extent, he never wrote another article again.

In September 2007 Hovhannes Galajyan, the Editor-in-chief of Iravunk newspaper, suffered significant injuries and was hospitalised after being attacked by unknown assailants who broke into the newspaper’s offices and beat him using metal bars. Mr Galajyan had already been violently assaulted one year earlier, in front of his own house. He stated after the first attack that he believed it was related to coverage in his newspaper which impugned the reputation of the then Defence Minister (and now Prime Minister), Serge Sarkissyan.

Threatening e-mails were sent to Edik Baghdasaryan, the Editor-in-chief of the online newspaper Hetq, demanding the suppression of articles containing allegations concerning the country’s leading oligarch, Gagik Tsarukyan, who is also a member of parliament.

The editorial offices of The Fourth Estate newspaper were set on fire by unknown arsonists.

The power supply to the printing presses of the regional Syuniats Yerkir newspaper was cut following publication of criticisms of a power supply company.

The car of Souren Baghdasaryan, Editor-in-chief of the newspaper Football+ was twice set on fire.

David Jalavyan, a sports writer on the Haykakan zhamanak newspaper, was injured in a knife attack.

Have you ever read the paper published by the Armenian Republic's first president, Hovhannis Katchaznouni?

Here's a proper citation of it for you:

Hovhannes Katchaznouni, First Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic, The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, 1923. (Republished in the U.S.: The Armenian Revolutionary Federation Has Nothing to Do Any More, New York, Armenian Information Service, 1955).

Oh, but if you are in Armenia, don't go looking for Katchaznouni's publication: it's against the law to have a copy.

Now that would be just one example of the Armenian government denying its own citizens the right to learn their true history. Then, of course, there's the indoctrination by the nazi youth organization the AYF.

Hey, I think you've invented a new word: hye-pocrite.

Cheers!
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Jake Threefeathers 04/09/2010 09:38 AM in reply to Shak
Aah, yes. "Filthy Turk", "Go back to Mongolia", "Brainwashed puppets". This sort of "communication" is very conducive to "education". Such eloquent prose, such wit, such elocution, such formidable debating skills. The poor "uneducated" Turk doesn't stand a chance against these palikarya. Armenia is proud of these lads and lasses. They are performing wonders in the service of Hai Tad.

Where did you boys and girls hone your debating skills, anyway? Was it at the William Jennings Bryan School of Debate and Oratory? Or was it at Gagook Hagopian's rug store at the corner of Jambazian and Hokkabazian Streets, just south of Iblis Madrabazian's lahmajoun shop?

Get a life, boys and girls. Lighten up. Life's a bowl of cherries. Generally, among the fine qualities with which the Armenians are endowed, I have not found a sense of humor to be one of those qualities. But allow me to give it another go.

A few years ago, the birth of a rare, five-legged calf in Armenia made world news. The following was comedian Dennis Miller's take on this news :

"Today a spokesman for the Armenian government said that the five-legged calf will be put up for exhibition at Armenia's state museum - alongside that other Armenian rarity - an Armenian woman without a mustache".

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alice 04/09/2010 03:44 PM
Kiraz, "Remember 'alice', if you don’t learn from your mistakes, you will be forever doomed to repeat them." You couldn't have said it better! I am actually surprised why your population has not committed another genocide? I mean, if you don't learn from your mistakes, you will repeat them right? Whose next on the list?
I must add, you are quit amazing at "copy and pasting." This is something your country has taught you right, in the midst of them brainwashing you and actually "copy and pasting" their preferred information into your dense mind? Unfortunate...

"American Armenian turk", it is great to see how easily amused you are. Jake is truly VERY "brave" as he is hiding behind a keyboard and typing everything. WOW, that completely gives him legitimacy! Also, it is true that Armenia is full of filth. This is because of the recent opening of the borders because of the protocols. Now, your people have easier access into my country than before. That is the essence of all the filth in Armenia, you are completely right. No argument there.
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alice 04/09/2010 03:55 PM
Then, of course, there’s the indoctrination by the nazi youth organization the AYF. Hey, I think you’ve invented a new word: hye-pocrite," very interesting. A quick clarification. The Nazis were in charge of the genocide against the Jews.

Clearly, your uneducated statement proves who the hypocrite is. Was it not your people who also performed a genocide on another group of people?

As your leader Adolph Hitler has stated, "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" Be a little more faithful to him. Come on now.
Who is the hypcrite now?


"Today, they repeat the same steps, the same tactics employed by their progenitors 100 years ago and longer – namely, terrorism, hate incitement, dissembling, odious hate propaganda," as stated by you Jake. Very interesting... I mean, if we are the ones that have not learned anything in the past 100 years, whose nation killed Mr. Hrant Dink, the former editor-in-chief of AGOS newspaper?

You just don't learn don't you? KILLING PEOPLE OFF IS NEVER THE ANSWER!

You failed once when you failed to exterminate the Armenians and you just don't seem to learn?

And this is your "new generation" huh? The one that is NOT in charge of what happened in the past? The generation that has no fault?

If you truly were changed, the poisonous blood would not be flowing in your veins and you would not have killed a member of your own population. You are the same evil that was present 95 years ago.

You just could not accept the fact that we ARMENIANS were dominating your ECONOMY. We were prevailing your own markets!

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alice 04/09/2010 03:57 PM
It is to absolutely NO wonder why the trial of my hero Soghomon Tehilrian was "not guilty."
I mean, what happened there? You try so hard to hide and overshaddow the truth today? What happened back then?
How come you could not hide and inject artifice into the truth?
CHEERS to him for taking out the author of your cowardly nation.
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alice 04/09/2010 03:59 PM
Get a life Jake? Uhh buddy you are a father sitting at a computer defending millions of murderers?
I think you are the one in need of a life.

Your joke was as much of a joke as your population. Drink up to your ancestors who burn in the deep and agonozing flames of hell.
Cheers to them!

(hows that for a sense of humor) ;] haha
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Jake Threefeathers 04/09/2010 05:05 PM in reply to alice
You see? I told you that Armenians generally lack a sense of humor.

Sister, cut out the Armenian bull crap that you have been fed from birth. No one else is buying it any more. Tell your Armenian priest to keep his hands off children.

No more BS and evasions, sister. Just tell us when you are packing your bags to vacate my country. When are you and your genocidal Armenians going to go back to where you came from and return the lands you stole from Native Americans? Go back to where you came from. And take your blood feuds with you. No United States soldier will be sacrificed for the Armenian delusions of a "Greater Armenia". Do us a favor, and kindly fight your own battles. This is AMERICA. Not Armenia.

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alice 04/09/2010 04:04 PM
By the way, have you visited any libraries lately? Have you been doing a five-finger-exercise in removing books you don’t like? The glory of the Armenian nation depends on lads such as yourself. Go remove them nasty books from the library.
^ uh actually no that is your people that do that. The glory of our Armenian nation is that we do not give up and we STAND TOGETHER against people like you.

Come on now, we all know your government is the one that loves modifying history.

"What on earth do you want? The question is settled. There are no more Armenians," said by talat pasha.
In this quote, you see the the glory of our nation. The question will not be settled because in fact, your leaders failed. Why? Because I am an Armenian.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/09/2010 05:17 PM
"Why? Because I am an Armenian."

Good for you , Alice!

What do you want, a medal? Would you like a medal for being born Armenian? It has been my experience that it is the Greeks who usually demand medals for being born as Greeks. I have tried to accommodate them by sending them medals for that accomplishment. But at he moment, I am plum out of medals. Not to worry, though. I put in an order at a local foundry for a new batch of medals. The minute I get them, I will Fedex a brand new shiny medal to you, sister Alice.

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alice 04/09/2010 10:14 PM
Looks like you did not have much to say to refute my thoughts huh?
I'm glad you know how deserving my race is for golden medals.
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alice 04/09/2010 10:44 PM
First and foremost, need not call me "sister" for I am not related to any dogs. Got that? Bark no more.

Your dense mind truly puzzles me. Which Armenian priest has hands on children? It's usually smart to be able to back up the false statements you make.

The only "bullcrap" being stated here is that coming out of your bloody mouth. Might I remind you, if no one is believing what we have to say then Switzerland would not have recognized the Armenian Genocide just very recently. Don't you think?



Might I remind you and introduce you to some American history. Christopher Columbus along with other Europeans were the settlers who landed on the lands of the Native Americans. They were the ones who traded broken glass for gold and abused the indiginous people. They were working on the behalf of France and the monarchy.
So obviously the America you are so proud of is the one you should be blaming.
So when you bring in the indignious people ( you should also know that they do not like being called Native Americans ) in the picture, do so with some background knowledge on their beings and affiliates.

Perhaps if we were not robbed of our lands we would not be so dispersed around the world.

No soldier needs to be sacrifieced oh 'educated Jake' because as you prove that you learn nothing, VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER.
We are not calling upon any forms of violence, rather we want justice to prove to the world the true being of your evil.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/10/2010 04:27 AM
Columbus worked for the French monarchy? You mean Ferdinand and Isabella were French? Which history teacher taught you that? He/she ought to be horsewhipped.

You say violence is not the answer? Try telling that to the hate-mongering, bloodthirsty Armenian sociopaths. The Armenian terrorist Garabedian who killed 8 people and injured 55 at the Orly Airport bombing, was given a hero's welcome by Armenia, as well as being put on a government stipend.

You say if you were not robbed of your lands, you would not have robbed other people's lands? Oh, sister, that is a beaut of a justification for theft. You have chutzpah bigger than Kim Kardashian's derriere. So if Mr. Brown steals your wallet, this justifies you stealing Mr. Green's wallet. Nice going, sister. You'll have a wonderful future when you grow up. But first, get off my land and go back to Armenia and conduct your blood feud from there. We need Armenian terrorists on this land as much as we need al-Qaida terrorists.

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Jake Threefeathers 04/10/2010 04:57 AM
By the way, dear Alice, it's Sweden - not Switzerland. Your geography teacher should be horsewhipped as well.

I am not going to waste my time with repetition. Your questions have been answered in my previous postings before you showed up here. Go back and look them up. Look up the section on the deep pockets of the hate-mongering Armenian lobby as related to bribing ethnic-pandering politician prostitutes. Also by the way, the geographic and historic knowledge of these political prostitutes are about as good as yours. They would not know Armenia from Albania, were it not for the sweet smell of Armenian money. Aah, them poor Armenians! Them poor "eternal victims". How slick of you to milk faux victimhood! Gotta hand it to you, you sly devils.

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alice 04/10/2010 01:25 PM
Clearly Jake dear dog, you are hard of understanding. As you stated above, Ferdinand and Isabella were in fact French which means he was working for them since they were the ones that funded his voyage. Maybe you should get your history checked? Like I said before, did the turks hide that information from you too? How very unfortunate!

Do not speak of Armenian terrorists because like I mentioned before (refer back to my old posts) that turks were the ones that were terrorits. The more you bark, the more you bring down the name of your people.

Do not speak of my history teachers buddy because I learn what is truly in the books. I do not study anything that has been artificially injected. I know it is hard to grasp since you are so limited with your knowledge and all you can do is bark your racist comments, but that is fine.

And though you are clearly demented and have absolutely not life (attain to your children please), it is important to note as well that I never mentioned since their lands were stolen we stole lands too. Do not put words in my mouth. Thank you dear dog.

And if you are so worried about people stealing the lands of the indiginous people lovely dog, you will vacate this country because it clearly goes against all your ideals. You are so stupid it's ridiculous. Armenians were the ones that stole the land or Columbus and his people?

Bark no more, pleaes. Do us all a favor and return to hell and burn with your acestors.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/10/2010 02:49 PM
Dearest Alice,

Ferdinand and Isabella were French?

That news would come as a surprise to Spain and Spaniards. Which Armenian school did you say you attended?
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Jake Threefeathers 04/11/2010 05:08 AM
I just got off the phone with the present-day king of Spain, Juan Carlos. He was astonished to learn that Alice had uncovered a top secret that had been kept for over five centuries. It seems, all this time, these Spaniards had conned this world into thinking that Ferdinand and Isabella were the king and Queen of Spain in 1492, when in fact they had been sitting on the throne of France in Leningrad.

Juan Carlos also told me that contrary to popular belief, Columbus was not an Italian from Genoa, but he was a Chinaman from Denmark. He said that Columbus' ships, the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria were actually financed by the Dalai Lama of Tibet and set sail from Moscow, Russia.

What other gems do you have for us, Alice? Next you will be telling us that Marie Antoinette was the Queen of Wichita, Kansas, that Sonny Bono was the younger brother of Napoleon Bonaparte and Cher is actually the Queen of Sheba? Alice, did you know that the pope is actually a Southern Baptist, and did you know Moshe Dayan and Golda Meir were the king and queen of Guatemala?

Aah, Alice, Alice, Alice! Did you find out where Sweden is in relation to Switzerland? Do you know Austria from Australia? Dear Alice, I changed my mind. Your teachers getting horsewhipped is not enough. They ought to be drawn and quartered.

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alice 04/11/2010 12:32 PM
Dear Jake,

Our very own devil. Excuse my mistake it seems you are taking it very hard on you. Do not weep. My teachers have taught me enough to know that racists like you should not be living in a country whose morals stand for "equality for all."
Perhaps you should vacate this country cause your values are clearly very different from those of the country.

Whereas when I make a mistake I admit it (unlike you turks) you just keep barking on.

NOW FOR THE THIRD TIME, which Armenian priests have been abusing children?
Don't avoid the question, don't look over it though you should be so used to avoiding what is actually there and relying on lies.

Also, it is WONDERFUL to see a grown man accepting such roles, you are good at playing games I see. You called the King of Spain? WOW (delusional to say the least).
You mentioned above that no one believes "our lies", funny cause the Catalonian Parliament has recognized the genocide. Say hi to the King for me!

Cheers you racist! Happy Sunday dear dog.
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alice 04/11/2010 12:34 PM
No one mentioned Columbus was Italian. Also, where is your counterattack for mentioned that we Armenians are the ones that stole land from the indigenous people?




Just as I thought ;]
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Jake Threefeathers 04/11/2010 05:14 PM in reply to alice
Oh you are a charmer, Alice, a real sweetheart. Where did you acquire such grace, such charm, such poise and elegance and with erudition, wit and eloquence to boot? Was it at Baba Ganoushian's falafel shop in Glendale, or was it at that North Hollywood Armenian eatery where four Armenian hoodlums got bumped off the other day, by a fifth Armenian hoodlum? Or did you graduate at the top of your class at the charm school run by the Wicked Witch of the West?

Good news! I just received those medals I had ordered. I shall Fedex your medal to you for being born Armenian. I shall have to send a few to some Pygmies in Africa, for they too, believe they deserve medals for being born as Pygmies. Then of course, there are those donkeys at Old MacDonald's farm. They believe they deserve medals for being born as donkeys. My work is never done, handing out medals. There's no rest for the weary.

No one mentioned Columbus was Italian? You little dingbat! Why do you think Italian-Americans hold a parade every year on Columbus Day?

The priest's name was Dion O'Banion, who ran the St. Leon Armenian church on the South Side of Chicago where Al Capone used to pray. Father O'Banion also ran a flower shop as a side business. He was bumped off in his shop by some angry gangsters.

You're telling a Native American to leave? My, if that ain't chutzpah, then there ain't no such thing as chutzpah. The thief is telling the house owner to leave. Are all Dashnakians clad with rhino skin?

I had said I would not waste time with repetition since what you ask was discussed earlier, before you showed up here. But since you're such a sweetheart, I'll make an exception.

It is called the sauce for goose, sauce for gander rule. It is rule no. 482 : WHAT IS SAUCE FOR THE TURK, IS SAUCE FOR THE ARMENIAN SLICK.

No living Turk of today either killed or took land from Armenians. Yet, your hate-mongering psychopathic Dashnaks hold today's Turk responsible for real or perceived injustices of the past, long before he was born. Tell us, sweetheart, why can't we use the same logic? Native Americans were the victims of the granddaddy of all genocides. Their land was stolen. You are sitting on that land and enjoying the fruits of genocide. So why can't we hold you accountable, honey bunch? Remember the rule : Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.

And by the way, the Turks of the past did not take any Armenian land either. When the Turks got there, the land, the Armenians and everyone else there were ruled by the corrupt, degenerate, debauched, decrepit, oppressive Byzantine Greeks. Turks nailed the coffin of Byzantium and took over.

Oh, did I mention? I also spoke with King Carlos' lovely wife, Queen Sophia. She's Greek. She's the sister of the ousted last king, Constantine II who lives in exile in the U.K.. But then, being the the smart girl you are, you already knew all that, didn't you - just like you knew Ferdinand and Isabella were French monarchs and that France financed Columbus and his voyage?

Buh-bye, dingbat.

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Morad 04/12/2010 08:07 AM
Jake, you are really crazy!!!Racist and facist...go back to Turkey....
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Jake Threefeathers 04/12/2010 09:24 AM in reply to Morad
Dear Morad,

Please elaborate and articulate. Thanks.

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Kiraz 04/12/2010 02:19 PM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
Dear Jake,

Those who make sense, refute genocide claims with credible evidence that cannot be rebutted and who cannot be silenced by attempts to adhere made up labels upon them, must have their sanity challenged.

That is on page 12 of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation's genocide playbook, right after the section on fabricating documents and photo shopping pictures.

Cheers!
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Jake Threefeathers 04/12/2010 05:57 PM in reply to Kiraz
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.

These Armenian kids are so brainwashed from birth, they become apoplectic the first time someone says, "it ain't so kid". It's similar to the shock a kid goes through the first time he/she learns that his parents did not actually put in an order with the stork for a baby. Baby came about via something else that the parents did in the bedroom.

Sevgiler,

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Jessica 04/12/2010 05:04 PM
Kiraz = Jake Threefeathers

lol, you really have a lot of time on your hands don't you jake?
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Jake Threefeathers 04/12/2010 05:53 PM in reply to Jessica
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, it's what you know for sure, that just ain't so." ...SAM CLEMENS


At least you got half of it right, kiddo. Yes, I do happen to have lots of time on my hands, due to the good fortune of retirement at a very young age. My hobbies are gambling, gardening and bursting the bubbles of brainwashed, hate-spewing. borderline sociopathic, chauvinistic, ultra-nationalist Armenians online and off. But don't let any of this deter you, Jessica dear.

In my garden, I do grow some mean tomatoes, the best tasting tomatoes this side of the Mason/Dixon line.

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Kiraz 04/13/2010 03:49 AM in reply to Jessica
Dear Jessica,

There are about 70M of us, and then there's our diaspora, somewhere over 4M more. So there's no need for Jake to pretend he is me.

We would invite some more of our friends to this party, but it doesn't take that many of us to hold of a hord of ARF propaganda spewing hate merchants because, you see, we have truth on our side.

Cheers
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Jake Threefeathers 04/12/2010 05:57 PM
Oh, by the by, Jessica, if were to choose a nom de plume, it would not be Kiraz. That means cherry in Turkish. I am more like a peachy kind of guy.

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Morad 04/13/2010 07:51 AM
Jake & Kiraz, you guys are either brain washed or paid by Turkish government. Because whatever you said can not be found in any history book except those written by Turkish Government.

Haven't you see that Thurkish intellectuals recognized the Armenian Genocide? Do you think those are ARF members? Orhan Pamuk and others?

You guys are not the first ones who try to alter the history and won't be the last ones, but you can't do, so relax.
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Kiraz 04/13/2010 09:27 AM in reply to Morad
Morad,

Pamuk never recognized any "genocide". If you believe he did, cite us where he said or used the word genocide. He made a statement in Turkish, that has been twisted into what genocide merchants wished he would say. But go on, find it for us. Provide the citation and quote it for us exactly.

Buddy, have you read Garegin Pasdermajian's "Why Armenia Should be Free" published in 1918? In it, he admits that over 200,000 Armenians fought alongside Russia against the Ottoman Empire from the outset of WWI. Are you suggesting that Pasdermajian was paid by the Turkish government? (which, by the way, did not exist in 1918).

Your arguments are standard fare from the genocide crowd. It's rather pathetic that none of you genocide merchants care enough about this topic to do your own research, think your own thoughts or develop an independent understanding of what occurred during 1915.

No, instead, you all just vomit up AYF & ANCA propaganda as if it is holy scripture.

People who care about this topic search for and actually read original material like the publication by Pasdermajian, the speech written by Hovhannia Katchaznoui about the catastrophic mistakes made by Armenians during WWI, the papers of Boghos Nubar, etc. Or, have you even heard of the history of the ARF written by Dasnabedian?

It's clear from what you write that you have not bothered to read any of those publications in their original form, start to finish. If you did, you might actually learn your own history.

Oh, and Morad, I recommend you look up the Sykes-Picot agreement and see what it is that Britain and France were going to give the Armenians for fighting the Ottomans on their behalf during WWI. It may not only enlighten you, but shock you too.

If you keep making the same mistakes, your lot in life will never change... Armenia will remain fated to always be Russia's vassal to use, abuse and throw away when done.

Cheers
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alice 04/13/2010 01:49 PM
We are the ones that are brainwashed? So very common that hypocracy comes as a standard charecteristic with turks.
kiraz and jake, how do you two defend the fact that all your history books do not match to those of United States?

Dear dog Jake, you have still yet to defend your prior claim of Armenian priests abusing children. How about you cite something that stated that? That shouldn't be too hard for you. Tell your turk "historians" to cook up that story. You want evidence from Morads claim but you can't even back up anything you say. ;]

Also, "Where did you acquire such grace, such charm, such poise and elegance and with erudition, wit and eloquence to boot?"
You couldn't have said it better! I acquired all that from my culture and heritage. Clearly important points your murdering nation lacks.

But worry not!

And Jake, Armenians were the ones that stole the land from the indiginous people? Very smart you 'dingbat'!
Your history teacher should be horsewhipped. Which turkish school did you say you went to again?
(hows my sense of humor now?)

Kiraz, you have truth on your side?
The only way you can have the truth on your side is if you filter out the lies you have been fed and tune in and see how many countries have accepted the Armenian genocide. (SWEDEN being the latest, this one is for you Jake!)
Yes, then you will have truth on your side. No doubt about that one.



And jake, if we truly believed every "it ain't so" then I don't think we would be fighting for our cause. Don't you think?

jake, since you have retired at such an early age (which I am sure is a lie along with everyone else you utter from your mouth) perhaps you should take a career in fictional writing. That should DEFINITELY not be a problem for you! Also you'll have the support and sponsorship of all your people, the turks, because initially they are great at fictional writing ( refer to your history books for evidence).

Cheers lads!
jake, plant some truth into that garden of yours. Good luck! Let me know how it goes!


Oh and jake, i'm so glad to hear you got the medals, I was getting worried with their delay. Expedite them ASAP!
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alice 04/13/2010 01:52 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/420...

Enjoy!

But oh wait LET ME GUESS BEFORE YOU TWO BARK, the Swiss are just full of lies, and BBC is too right?
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alice 04/13/2010 01:53 PM
Poor Mr. Pamuk, hopefully he won't go down in history books (not those of turkey of course) following the same path as Hrant Dink.
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gergorian 04/14/2010 06:25 AM
Good old Jack Treefeathers......it was astonishing that your teachers not even educated you by basic mathematics skill ...Genocide of Armenians is a mathematical fact ...calculate it in your spare time the taking the 1905 Ottoman census where it is clearly indicates the Armenian mass were 1.850.000...after 100 years of time according the lowest birth rate they should be about a population of 17 millions by now instead entire world Armenian population not even comes to 9 millions...where are the MISSING 8 millions AH!!!!!..NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC FACT .
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 08:35 AM in reply to gergorian
Your figure of 1.85 million is about as credible as the rest of the Armenians' story. It is as bogus as the faked Hitler quote, as big a lie as the Armenian-forged phony Talat Pasha telegrams.

ARMENIAN POPULATION ACCORDING TO :

* Ottoman census statistics for 1893 1.001.465

* Ottoman census statistics for 1906 1.120.748

* Ottoman census statistics for 1914 1.221.850 (10)

Among their many talents, apparently the Armenian slicks are hocus-pocus artists with numbers.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 08:51 AM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
As for the low rate of Armenians' population growth rate over the last decades, it suggests to me that Armenians must be adherents and admirers of the Greek Style.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 07:04 AM
To the moon, Alice, to the moon!

Sorry, kiddo. You'll have to wait for your medal. The farmer, old MacDonald, informs me that in addition to his donkeys, now his pigs are demanding medals for being born as pigs. He says that since pigs and donkeys are of use to humanity, they should have priority over a useless, clueless little Armenian bimbo named Alice.

Sorry, Alice, looks like you're pretty low on the pecking order.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 07:11 AM
These people are like a broken record. Apparently, Kani has become Yanni... read, Ahmet Ozunoglu has become Morad.

Few days ago, Ahmet claimed that "things I say" cannot be found in any books. So I posted a bunch of quotes, all from Armenians and other non-Turks. Never mind reading the books, they don't even read the few short quotes from those books. Obviously these people don't read anything that contradicts Armenian dogma. These are robo-Armenians who are programmed to read and and digest and regurgitate only Armenian dogma. Mind-boggling, Utterly amazing that these robots invent lies and actually come to believe the lies they invented.

Orhan Pamuk is an opportunistic bottom feeder. Or as Claire Berlinski, the American writer who lives in Istanbul, has labeled him, a poseur. Orhan knew that he could never get the Nobel unless he badmouthed his own country.

Taner Akcam is neither Turkish nor an intellectual. He is a Kurd who is milking the fat Armenian cow to put food on his table. He merely reads out what Vahakn Dadrian gives him to read out. Moreover, he is a convicted terrorist who belonged to a leftist organization that launched violent attacks on U.S. personnel based in Turkey. He would have been deported to Germany were it not for the machinations of the powerful Armenian lobby. Leave it to the Armenians to make a hero out of a terrorist who attacked U.S. personnel. Hey, what is that old saying? Birds of a terrorist feather, flock together?

The corpulent Fatma Muge Gocek is another bottom feeder. In order to get her position at the Michigan University, she agreed to parrot what Dennis Papazian fed her. Rumor has it that she also did favors of a more intimate nature for Mr. Papazian. Poor fellow. He must be pretty hard up, for Ms. Gocek is as obese as they come.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 07:13 AM
Elif Shafak is about as intellectual as Paris Hilton. Elif is a thirty something bimbo who thinks she invented feminism. She has some explaining to do to Susan B. Anthony, Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem. But Armenians like what she says so they pay her to say more. She's glad to take Armenian cash because she now has kids to feed. In the event, Elif is much better looking than Ms. Gocek. Dennis would do better to chase Elif's skirt instead.

These Armenian zealots are clueless. They don't understand that Turkey, unlike their pipsqueak Armenia, is a vast nation of 75 million, a big marketplace of ideas and opinion from white to black and anything in between, and many ethnicities. There are those who are born malcontents. There are those who are contrarians for the sake of being contrarians.

There is Halil Berktay who has caught on to the Madison Avenue dictum that there is no such thing as bad publicity;all publicity is good. Berktay says what he says, not because he believes it, but because he wants attention drawn to himself. So he does an Erykah Badu. Remember that singing gal? A few days ago, she stripped naked in downtown Dallas in broad daylight while filming a music video? Now why did she strip naked? I think even the thick-skulled, rabid Armenian zealots know the answer.


By the way boys and girls, would I have a snowball's chance in hell of living another day, if I were to parade around downtown Yerevan with a sign that said, "Armenian genocide allegations are bunk!"? They do have freedom of opinion and expression in Armenia, right?
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 07:26 AM
Machiavelli would be proud of his Armenian disciples. Prior to Hrant Dink's death, the shameless, rhino-skinned Armenians of the diaspora hated Hrant's guts. They despised him because he did not preach hate against the Turks as the bloodthirsty diaspora demanded. Now that he's killed, they're using this as another tool to advance their odious hate agenda.

Hundreds of thousands of Turkish people protested Hrant's murder. His accused killers are in prison in Turkey. Where is the Armenian terrorist who bombed the Orly Airport killing 8 people? Surprise, surprise, surprise! He is a national hero in Armenia, receiving a government stipend. Shame on you shameless people! At least have the decency to leave Hrant's memory alone. He was not a member of your hate club.

And what's the deal with Armenia's state university bestowing an honorary degree on the most famous Holocaust denier of all, Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran?
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 09:01 AM
Speaking of protest of murder. Orhan Gunduz was a beloved American of Turkish descent. He was named Turkey's honorary consul in Boston. In 1982, he was gunned down by Armenian terrorists. Where were protestations from Armenian Americans?

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gergorian 04/14/2010 09:18 AM
JAKE BE POLITE ..HERE WE ARE NOT WRITING TO CARRY ON JOKES ABOUT SERIOUS MATTERS...THIS CENSUS FIGURES ARE REALITY AS THEY ARE IN FACTS ABOUT OTTOMAN EMPIRE BRITISH PARLIAMENT DOCUMENTS.I SUGGEST YOU TO THINK RATIONALLY AND GET RIDE OF YOUR HATE TOWARDS WHO IS NOT TURK...
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 09:33 AM in reply to gergorian
I refer you to the definition of comedy. Comedy is tragedy plus time. Moreover, if you seek sympathy for your tragedy, you must display sympathy for the tragedy of others like the Native Americans and the tragedy Turkish people underwent due to the treachery, treason and terrorism of Armenian cutthroats.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 09:59 AM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
Oh, sorry about that. I forgot that the Armenians displayed sympathy for the Holocaust victims by bestowing honors on Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who not only denies the Holocaust, but advocates wiping Israel off the map.

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talltalebuster 04/14/2010 11:38 AM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
Yes, and also by parading photos of Jewish Holocaust victims and claiming they are Armenians killed by Turks, and why stop there?

Armenians also present photos of Ottoman Muslims that Armenians massacred during WWI and claim the dead are Armenians killed at the hands of Turks.

Need proof? Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Fakes, forgeries and falsehoods, these are what Armenian genocide claimants excel at.
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alice 04/14/2010 11:35 AM
"Oh, sorry about that. I forgot that the Armenians displayed sympathy for the Holocaust victims by bestowing honors on Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who not only denies the Holocaust, but advocates wiping Israel off the map," Ah jake, so he is one of you after all?
Confucius once said, "Don't complain about the snow on your neighbor's roof when your own doorstep is unclean." You are upset that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does not recognize the Holocaust as a genocide? What about you not recognizing our genocide?
Yet again, your standard characteristic of hypocracy that comes already instilled with your birth.
How shameful!

Do not dare speak of people being paid by the government because it was your coward nation that tipped the "nationalist" to murder Mr. Hrant Dink.
Funny how you know "so" much about Armenians. Send me some proof, ANY proof about
1. Armenians hating Hrant Dink before his murder (after all, he did referr to the genocide as a GENOCIDE). I am Armenian and I have not yet yeard of such lies.
2. Armenian priests molesting children. I see you are having a hard time with this. Worry not, nothing you bark makes any sense.

So very smart of you to avoid all the things you cannot attack. Just like your nation. Typical! You look past everything you cannot argue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/eur...

What about the former citation I sent you about Mr.Pamuk?

Since you do work for the "government" of turkey, inform them of a few necessities they need in order to join the European Union.
1. Unfortunately, your 99 percent Muslim population is too different than that of Europe's based Christain population. How sad for you! Is it too late to convert?
2. Perhaps you should invade and perform a genocide on another country that is closer to Europe since your geography and population is far away from Europe.

Perhaps recognzing Cyprus will help your journey?

But then again having a history of killing over 1.5 million people does not really help your case. "Apsos."

Perhaps after accepting you (which will never happen), Israel will be next on the list to join the EU?

And much thanks to France, how can you join the EU without recognizing the genocide?

^ inform Abdullah Gul of all of this.


How can you explain the three Christain missionaries that were murdered in mid-2007 in Turkey? Were your people "weeping" then too?
How much does your "government" pay for good actors? How much are you getting since you are "retired" and living such a 'relaxed' life?

Dr. Necip Hablemito?lu? How ODD that his murder case is unsolved? I mean, the government could not be behind that one, right?


If you are so troubled and distressed about the indiginous people losing their lands, WHY ON EARTH DO YOU LIVE IN AMERICA?
"...and justice for all." Just from these few words, you should be able to comprehend (though I know your thick skull does not accept much data) that this country is definitely not for you and for your racist and fascist being.
But wait, it is the hypocracy that brews within your blood that legitimizes this. I forgot...

Where are my medals dearest dog?
And you forgot to answer my question (much like the others) how is your garden? I invest my time in other activities rather than gardening and I am no expert - but I think it is safe to assume when fertile is not clean then the product is not successful?

You are the dirt. Since your dirt (you) is unclean, how are the crops going for you?

If you manage to grow something other than hatred, PLEASE do send them to me with the medals! I am patiently waiting. In turn for your kind service, I will send you some "Grow Your Own" magazines, though I am certain they can be of no help.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 12:41 PM in reply to alice
Where else should a Native American live except in America, you little dingbat?

I had already informed you about your medal. Apparently you didn't see it. Here it is again :

To the moon, Alice, to the moon!

Sorry, kiddo. You’ll have to wait for your medal. The farmer, old MacDonald, informs me that in addition to his donkeys, now his pigs are demanding medals for being born as pigs. He says that since pigs and donkeys are of use to humanity, they should have priority over a useless, clueless little Armenian bimbo named Alice.

Sorry, Alice, looks like you’re pretty low on the pecking order.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 12:49 PM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
Alice, you clueless bimbo. When I said Armenian priests should keep hands off children, I meant they should stop brainwashing them. Since you think I meant sexual molestation and insist on an example of such, here it is. Enjoy :
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co...

New Britain priest charged with molesting 12-year-old girl
Published: 01:00 a.m., Wednesday, May 10, 2006

NEW BRITAIN, Conn. (AP) - The priest of an Armenian church was charged Tuesday with molesting a 12-year-old girl last year, and his parishioners responded by rallying in support of him and protesting the arrest.
Krikoris Keshishian, 53, leader of St. Stephen's Apostolic Armenian Church in New Britain, was charged with fourth-degree sexual assault and impairing the morals of a child by sexual contact. He was released on a promise to appear in New Britain Superior Court on May 23.

New Britain police Sgt. Michael Baden said the allegations involve a single incident in May 2005, but more counts involving the same girl may be added. He said a relative of the girl called police after she told her family about the alleged abuse.

Police said Keshishian was acting in his official capacity when he inappropriately touched the girl.

Church members questioned whether Keshishian was being framed and said the arrest will devastate the church. The sexual assault charge is a felony that carries one to five years in prison.

"Someone must be trying to do something terrible to him," said church member Clara Semerdjian. "He is a loving man, a wonderful man, who would give his heart to anyone. ... Something is very wrong with this."

Keshishian and his wife live in a church-owned house in New Britain. No one answered his front door Tuesday.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/14/2010 01:12 PM in reply to Jake Threefeathers
You're a riot, Alice. You're a regular riot!

You see, among my other talents, I do a mean impression of Ralph Kramden.

Alice, you clueless little dingbat! Do you ever think before you speak? Does it ever occur to you to do a little fact-checking before you shoot off your mouth? Dr. Necip Hablemitoglu was a nationalist Turk, and your sicko people were overjoyed at his murder.

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talltalebuster 04/14/2010 11:50 AM
@Alice,

With respect to Hrant Dink, Dink did not support people like you and your ilk. He promoted peace, understanding and mutual acceptance. As a result, he was vilified by people like you and your diaspora.

The true architect of Dink's murder has not yet been uncovered, but when they are, I have no doubt they will be card carrying members of your Armenian genocide club.

No one has benefited from the death of Dink more so than the Armenian genocide club, and no one has shamelessly used and abused Dink's name as much.

Don't forget, dear Alice, Dink was a Turkish citizen, and he chose to remain a citizen of the Republic of Turkey over immigration to Armenia.

Dink was one of us, and was very open about wanting nothing to do with the likes of you.
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Morad 04/15/2010 07:27 AM
It is very sad that after 95 years, still Turks hate Armenians. (Turks like Jake Threefeathers and talltalebuster).
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talltalebuster 04/15/2010 09:33 AM in reply to Morad
You would have been more aptly named Moron.

Your attempt to deflect the hate you promote is a reflection of the quality and credibility of all your arguments and positions.

As I said, Dink, like us promoted peace, understanding and mutual acceptance.

That is why your typical Armenian hate merchant genocide club members despised Dink until he was dead, when they all began crying their crocodile tears.
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christine 04/15/2010 06:56 PM in reply to talltalebuster
You don't promote peace! You enrage people by writing fiction about " the barbaric" Armenian race. It was 95 years ago. Get your head out of your ass. The only reason the Armenian race protests, is so that the turkish government recognizes the genocide.

Obviously all you turks on this site have acknowledged that the genocide happened because if it didn't you wouldn't care enough to argue with people like Alice, whom you call a riot because she has her facts straight.

No one cares how many ethnic groups a country has, (specially turkey) but maybe if almost 2 million Armenians weren't massacred in 1915, we'd have 50 ethnic groups as well.
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talltalebuster 04/16/2010 10:12 AM in reply to christine
Christine,

Have you not read publications glorifying the Dashnak and Hnchak terrorists?

What does one call people who support and treat as heroes terrorists, like ASALA or JCAG, who bombed and killed innocent civilians, including children?

You are wrong, Armenia cares exactly how many ethnic groups it has and that is why it's population is almost 99% pure Armenian.

The citizens of Turkey are very well aware of their ethnicity sweetheart because their grandparents and great-grandparents were ethnically cleansed from their lands by "Christians" like you, as noted elsewhere here.

The almost ethnically pure countries of the Balkans like Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and, in the Caucasus, Armenia, were formed on by shedding the blood of the Crimean and Circassian Muslims who had lived there for thousands of years. In fact, in the case of the Circassians, historians who've studied their history, believe Circassians first settled in the Caucasus over 5,000 years ago.

Christine, darling, it is rather inelegant for a young gal of your age to speak of "getting one's head out of one's ass," but if there is anyone who needs to engage in such act, it is likely you.

Do your homework and get your facts straight, only then can you can engage in meaningful debate.

PS - You need to read more carefully. I've never called alice a riot. I actually think she is more along the lines of a debacle.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/15/2010 11:06 AM in reply to Morad
Dear Morad Ozunoglu,

So far you have batted a perfect zero. You have a perfect record of being wrong.

My dear friend Marty Donigian, who died in 1991, would have vehemently disagreed with you. Marty was 44 years my senior and he liked to hang out at a Greek diner with Turks, rather than his own Armenians. Marty was from Gurun, in the province of Sivas. Marty came to America in 1922 as a 14-year old, along with his older brother Hari and their mother. Unlike the Armenian juveniles we see here, Marty did not have an iota of hate in his heart, nor did he have a mean bone in his body.

Marty became a successful small businessman (he owned a photo engraving shop). Marty was like a second father to me. He and I made good team. We helped out a lot of newcomer Turks who had jumped ship. (For those of you who don't know what 'jumping ship' means, it means illegal aliens). Marty would help them get jobs, and I would help them with their paperwork, trying to get them green cards. Today, in this neck of the woods, many a Turkish small business owner owes his start to Marty Donigian. Marty would have been appalled to see the hate-spewing Armenian kids here.

By the way, you boys and girls should get out of your little Armenian world in Glendale once in a while. There's a whole 'nother world out there. Many Turkish restaurants around this neck of the woods are patronized more by Armenians than by Turks. I suppose that's on account of Turks knowing more about Turkish cuisine than Armenians who try to imitate Turkish cuisine. (Now don't go ballistic on me. That's a joke.)

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Featherbuster 04/15/2010 10:32 AM
Wow you're an idiot! "The hate we promote" ?! Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians....why WOULDN'T we hate them? Get real.

What are you gonna say next? That African Americans were the ones asking for slavery?

Go tend to your garden.
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alice 04/15/2010 11:03 AM
Featherbuster apres.
Dear talltalebuster,
Whereas you feel Morad's name is inappropriate yours is perfectly suiting to your personality. Except, my only question is it is quite contradictory consider the only tall tale busting that you should be doing is the one of your nation which obviously denies the events of 1915. Perhaps you should go bust the tale your murdering nations tells.

Also, Dink promoted "peace, understanding and mutual acceptance."
He was clearly a minority in your society and country because :
Peace - Is peace the definiton of murdering over 1.5 million Armenians?
Understanding- Is your understanding in correspondence with the fact that you deny the Armenian genocide?
Mutual acceptance - Oh the acceptance of facts?

Let me ask you this, HOW have YOU promoted peace, understanding, and mutual acceptance?
Again it is the common hypocracy kicking isn't it?

All we ask for is you to accept what really happened so turktalebuster, Dinks morals are very similar to that of our own.

It is far too easy to say "your people were so happy when he died."
Fair. Perhaps the more you all kill those of your own, it only justifies the true essence to your beings.

Let us all hope the best for Mr.Pamuk.

Dink was NOT one of you. It is so unfortunate you feel this way. Maybe if you step food outside your country, you will see true history.
Like you said, he promoted peace, acceptance, and understanding and these three things as we all know are DEFINITELY not three concepts you represent.

Carry on turktalebuster.
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talltalebuster 04/15/2010 01:20 PM in reply to alice
Yes, like us, Dink promoted peace, understanding and mutual acceptance.

You may recall, that in 1992, it was Armenians who massacred unarmed civilian Azeri Turks--including the old, infirm, women and children-- who were trying to escape the onslaught of the Armenian military.

You may also recall that from the 1970s through the 1990s, it was Armenian terrorists that murdered unarmed innocent Turks and nationals of other countries who happened to be near, killing, maiming and injuring over 140 people, including children.

You may recall that Armenians, the Armenian Church and the Armenian state treated those murderers and terrorists like heroes. What kind of people do that?

Your brand of Armenians are vicious and full of the poisonous hatred that the ARF promotes and upon which you so readily feed.

As for the events of 1915, more than 2 million Ottoman Muslims died during WWI. More than half a million of those people were massacred by Armenian militants.

The barbarism and utter inhumanity displayed by Armenian militants toward Ottoman Muslim civilians during and after WWI was so revolting that the Russian military withdrew their support from your Dashnak death squads operating on the Black Sea coast and the French withdrew their support from the French Armenian Legion, which was killing Muslims without impunity throughout the Adana region.

Truth be told Alice, it was your people's barbarism that cost them eastern Anatolia. If Russia and France had not withdrawn their support due to the obscene violence perpetrated by Armenian terrorists against a helpless civilian population, the Nationalist Turks under Ataturk could never have fought against and won those lands back. You all have no one else but your former Dashnak leadership to blame for having lost the war you waged for eastern Anatolia.

We will carry on Alice and make sure that aryan supremecists like you and your Dashnak klansmen never set foot in eastern Anatolia again.

You're so ignorant that you don't even know that there are currently people from over 50 ethnic groups living together in peace in the Republic of Turkey now--in contrast to the ethnic homogeneity of Armenia.

Why so many ethnic groups? Because the Ottoman Empire received over 7 MILLION refugees ethnically cleansed from the Balkans, Crimea and Caucasus in the 100 years spanning 1820-1920 by "Christians" like yourself. Another 5 million disappeared during the cleansing, all presumed dead.

The Republic of Armenia that you now have is a result of that ethnic cleansing, since its majority population was at one time Muslim. The Russians resettled your people in what was the homes of Muslims.

If you want reparations, then you need to give back to the Turks whose homes your people resettled back to them.

Get it Alice? If you insist upon your irredentist claims, then you better be prepared to give back what was never rightfully yours either.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/15/2010 01:51 PM
Talltalebuster,

I think we should cut Alice some slack. She won't know the meaning of a word like "irredentist". We have to talk to her in simple language she can understand.

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Alice, you ignorant twit! Is your mother's name Sarah Palin? You both seem to be flakes, and neither one of you can put together a coherent sentence.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/15/2010 02:20 PM
Anything that is bad that happens to the Armenians, is never, never, never the fault of the Armenians themselves. They are forever trying to do what has been proven to be physically impossible, like having their cake and eating it too. They constantly try to defy this law of physics : Every action gets a reaction.

They fault the Turks for reacting to the heinous crimes that Armenian terror gangs committed. They fault the Turks for trying to protect the rest of the Ottoman population from the barbarism of the Armenian butchers. They blame the Brits, the Ivans and the French for not carrying out the Armenian delusions of a "Greater Armenia". They blame President Woodrow Wilson for not handing them that "Greater Armenia" on a silver platter. No, no, no, everyone and his brother is to blame except Armenians.

Arise, oh Armenians! Wake up and smell your Turkish coffee. The fault is not with the stars. The fault is with your progenitors. You have met the enemy, and the enemy is your progenitors. You chose to follow the terrorists, the agitators, the provocateurs, instead of voices of reason and moderation. Your progenitors bet on the wrong side. They lost. Live with it. If you cannot, try to vent by going to the graves of those terrorist Armenians who misled your people, and urinate on them.



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christine 04/15/2010 07:14 PM
THE 8 STAGES OF GENOCIDE
*hint your people are on the last stage*


1. CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.

2. SYMBOLIZATION: We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people “Jews” or “Gypsies”, or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply the symbols to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden (swastikas) as can hate speech. Group marking like gang clothing or tribal scarring can be outlawed, as well. The problem is that legal limitations will fail if unsupported by popular cultural enforcement. Though Hutu and Tutsi were forbidden words in Burundi until the 1980’s, code-words replaced them. If widely supported, however, denial of symbolization can be powerful, as it was in Bulgaria, where the government refused to supply enough yellow badges and at least eighty percent of Jews did not wear them, depriving the yellow star of its significance as a Nazi symbol for Jews.

3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than democracies. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.

4. ORGANIZATION: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.

5. POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

6. PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared. If the political will of the great powers, regional alliances, or the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance provided to the victim group to prepare for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be organized by the U.N. and private relief groups for the inevitable tide of refugees to come.

7. EXTERMINATION begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called “genocide.” It is “extermination” to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi). At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection. (An unsafe “safe” area is worse than none at all.) The U.N. Standing High Readiness Brigade, EU Rapid Response Force, or regional forces -- should be authorized to act by the U.N. Security Council if the genocide is small. For larger interventions, a multilateral force authorized by the U.N. should intervene. If the U.N. is paralyzed, regional alliances must act. It is time to recognize that the international responsibility to protect transcends the narrow interests of individual nation states. If strong nations will not provide troops to intervene directly, they should provide the airlift, equipment, and financial means necessary for regional states to intervene.

8. DENIAL is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them. The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts. There the evidence can be heard, and the perpetrators punished. Tribunals like the Yugoslav or Rwanda Tribunals, or an international tribunal to try the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or an International Criminal Court may not deter the worst genocidal killers. But with the political will to arrest and prosecute them, some may be brought to justice.
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Kiraz 04/15/2010 08:12 PM in reply to christine
Dear Christina,

To even get to these 8 stages which you've so carefully cut and paste from another website, you've got to prove that a genocide even occurred with credible admissible evidence in a court of law.

Armenia won't even open its archives, much less take the Republic of Turkey to court on this matter.

Even more laughable, are the assertions that Turks should not even be permitted to speak out because their assertions are indisputable.

Tell us, Christina, in what modern civilized jurisprudence is the accused bound in silence and presumed guilty, without a trial, without competent evidence? Note, the Republic of Armenia doesn't count.

Then, of course, there's the question of credibility, due to all those forged documents Armenians bandied about to the gullible public. If truth is on their side, why forge so many documents?

Cheers.
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christine 04/15/2010 09:15 PM in reply to Kiraz
In 1981 Reagan acknowledged the genocide as a genocide, therefore limiting financial aid to turkey until they recognized the genocide.

The proof lies in the people. There are no documents that prove the genocide happened. After all how could there be when a country was swept clean of its people?

Don't know if you have ever spoke to a genocide survivor. My guess is probably not... but what reason do they have to lie.

Lets say for arguments sake the genocide did happen, would turkey ever even admit it.... OF COURSE NOT! for every action there is a consequence, and turkey would never want to pay the billions it OWES to Armenia.

AT LEAST THE NAZIS TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY DID!!
WHY WONT turkey!!!
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Jake Threefeathers 04/15/2010 10:53 PM in reply to christine
There is actually one more stage to genocide. The last stage of genocide is admitting the genocide but instead of making amends, continuing to enjoy the fruits of that genocide. That is what the Armenians in this country and the rest of the American continent are doing. They admit Native Americans suffered genocide, but these Armenian interlopers and carpetbaggers are still occupying the stolen land of the Amerindians.

Perhaps you'll do the right thing, Christine. When can we expect you to pack your bags and give back the stolen lands?

Oh, and how many billions do you think the flimflamming Armenians owe the Native Americans? And could they please cough up that 40 acres and a mule that were promised the African slaves upon emancipation? Don't you think it's about time you paid up?

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Kiraz 04/16/2010 09:05 AM in reply to christine
Christine/Alice or whoever you are,

Have you read nothing above?

A good third of the citizen of the Republic of Turkey are the direct descendants of the survivors of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

What is shameful here is the insanity displayed by the way you write.

No evidence of genocide? Of course there is. There was an enormous amount of evidence produced during the Nuremburg trials-- why don't you learn about them?

The Jews who survived the Holocaust didn't need to forge documents like Armenians have, for example, the Andonian telegrams, to prove up anything.

Genocide is a crime that must be proved with evidence.

Armenian genocide claimants have produced forgeries and fabrications, but no real evidence.

Moreover, Armenia continues to hide the Dashnak archives from the world. Why? Is it because they will establish that Armenian militants planned to ethnically cleanse all Ottoman Muslims from the eastern third of Anatolia just like they had cleansed them all from the Caucasus less than 60 years before?

Did you know most of the Ottoman Muslims in eastern Anatolia who were massacred by Armenian militants were themselves survivors of the massive Circassian genocide perpetrated by the Russians and from which Armenians benefitted so much?

Christine, you desperately need to learn the real history of the region instead of lapping up the propaganda and myths forged by ANCA and the ARF. All those groups have every done has caused death and destruction to your people.

Cheers
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Morad 04/16/2010 07:29 AM
SACRAMENTO–California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has once again proclaimed the week of April 19-26 as “Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide,” the Armenian National Committee’s Western Region offices reported on Thursday.

We present the proclamation below:

It is important to remember the horrors of the past in order to keep history from repeating itself. The Armenian Genocide was a terrible breach of human rights and an event that has outraged the world. Between 1915 and 1923, 1.5 million innocent Armenians lost their lives at the hands of the Ottoman Empire, and 500,000 more were forced from their homeland.

The atrocities carried out against the Armenian people were grave and unimaginable, as they were subjected to deportation, abduction, torture, starvation and more. And as with any violent conflict, Armenian women and children suffered the worst abuses. The bulk of the Armenian population that was displaced from their homes was forced to escape to neighboring as well as faraway countries. Many fled to the United States.

Today, California is honored to be home to a vibrant Armenian-American population, the largest outside the Republic of Armenia. This thriving community is a proud reminder of survival and determination even in the face of extreme injustice.

As Americans and Californians, it is our duty to raise awareness of the Armenian Genocide and to participate in the remembrance and mourning of the loss of innocent lives.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, Governor of the State of California, do hereby proclaim April 19-26, 2010, as “Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide.”

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of California to be affixed this 8th day of April 2010.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
Governor of California

ATTEST:
DEBRA BOWEN
Secretary of State
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Kiraz 04/16/2010 09:10 AM
Oh hey Morad, I can cut and paste too! Did you know there are 2, yes that's at least TWO, United Nations Resolutions against Armenia?

You can read all about it here--and it's more of the same. Armenians can't seem to just occupy a town, they have to kill or massacre whoever is left that is not Armenian. Seems nothing has changed in 95 years...

Cheers


The Khojaly Massacre was the killing of hundreds of ethnic Azerbaijani civilians from the town of Khojaly on 25 February 1992 during the Nagorno-Karabakh War.

According to the Azerbaijani side, as well as Memorial Human Rights Center, Human Rights Watch and other international observers, the massacre was committed by the ethnic Armenian armed forces, reportedly with help of the Russian 366th Motor Rifle Regiment. The official death toll provided by Azerbaijani authorities is 613 civilians, of them 106 women and 83 children.

According to Human Rights Watch, the tragedy struck when “a large column of residents, accompanied by a few dozen retreating fighters, fled the city as it fell to Armenian forces. As they approached the border with Azerbaijan, they came across an Armenian military post and were cruelly fired upon”.

In Written Declaration No. 324, members of the Parliamentary Assembly of Europe from Albania, Azerbaijan, Turkey and the United Kingdom, and individual members from Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Macedonia and Norway stated that "On 26 February 1992, Armenians massacred the whole population of Khodjaly and fully destroyed the city", and called on the Assembly to recognize the massacre in Khojaly as part of "genocide perpetrated by Armenians against the Azerbaijani population".

United Nations Security Council Resolution 822 was adopted at the 3205th meeting of the Security Council on 30 April 1993, and called for the immediate cessation of all hostilities and hostile acts with a view to establishing a durable cease-fire, as well as immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbadjar district and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 884 was adopted at the 3313th meeting of the Security Council on 12 November 1993. In this resolution UNSC expressed its serious concern that a continuation of the conflict in and around the Nagorny Karabakh region of the Azerbaijani Republic, and of the tensions between the Republic of Armenia and the Azerbaijani Republic, would endanger peace and security in the region, and demanded from the parties concerned the immediate cessation of armed hostilities and hostile acts, the unilateral withdrawal of occupying forces from the Zangelan district and the city of Goradiz, and the withdrawal of occupying forces from other recently occupied areas of the Azerbaijani Republic in accordance with the Adjusted timetable of urgent steps to implement Security Council resolutions 822 (1993) and 853 (1993) (S/26522, appendix), as amended by the CSCE Minsk Group meeting in Vienna of 2 to 8 November 1993.

Armenia has, to date, refused to comply with the U.N. Resolutions.
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Jake Threefeathers 04/16/2010 10:41 AM
I am shocked. SHOCKED!

The Viennese weightlifter, aka the Gropenator, takes Armenian money to tell the Armenians what they want to hear. Turks must be shaking in their boots now. Horror of horrors! Calamity of calamities! What to do, what to do! That Aahnold, he sure fixed them dastardly Turks' wagon now.

These ethnic-pandering politician prostitutes have caught on quickly to the fact that the hate-mongering Armenians will pay a pretty penny for their psychotic obsession. So the prostitutes are milking the Armenian cow for all they can

Armenian slicks are wasting their time and money paying for useless proclamations and worthless resolutions. Instead, they should try going to a competent court of law and bribe some judges.

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Krikor Zohrab 04/21/2010 09:45 AM
I love you, Jack Threefeathers.

What is this all about? Here is a piece of news I came across, just by chance, on weathersealed.com:

"It turns out that each state tweaks the tax code – by adjusting the Federal rules with their own credits and deductions – to help the less fortunate and foster positive behavior, amongst other reasons. By California law, income specifically excludes compensation for false imprisonment and reparations to those oppressed by the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923. Whoa."

That's what it's all about.
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John 04/22/2010 05:40 PM
WOW,
It's funny to see what kind of bullshit all these stupid GENOCIDE DENIERS come out with every year.
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Goerge Sixfeathers 04/23/2010 08:04 AM
Our fathers killed this inocent people, so, if we want to be a part of 21st century civilized world, we should have the courage to admit it. It has nothing to do with native Americans or Glendale or anything else. Turket committed a Genocide and the world knows it.
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UDIN COMMENT 04/24/2010 07:54 PM
So what!!! The name is World War I. Of course you have to kill each other during a war. There is no doubt about that. One has to defend him self. If he has more military power he has more advantages.

I fear a similar genocide holocaust shall happen again. And this time the actors will be the super power against a less power country in the name of "to fight terrorism".

The question that has yet to be answered is who is the real terrorist of the globe.
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Robert 04/24/2010 08:17 PM
War, eh? Leading innocent women and children on death marches until they were starved and dehydrated to death was part of self-defense?
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Albarian 04/25/2010 12:02 AM
France, Switzerland, Germany (and 42 states)--All call the murder of Armenian's Genocide. Obama and Bush called it Genocide (before the Turks threatened the U.S. with sanctions and before they were president).

It's really only the Turks who stand alone and pressure the rest of the world to cover up for the them.

I guess if you repeat a lie often enough, there is hope that some will believe it.

My thanks to the young Armenian's who honor the memory of their grandparents.
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alice 04/25/2010 08:59 PM
Jake,

So turks want the medals too? I mean you did say you pigs were demanding medals for being pigs...
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Stop the politicking and recognize Armenian genocide
March 30, 2010, By Taleen Khalafian, Contributing reporter

France has done it. Italy, Germany, and Switzerland have done it, too. About twenty countries (and forty-two U.S. states) have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. Now, it’s time for the United States government to step up and do the same.

Doing so will affect relations between the U.S. and Turkey and for this reason, President Obama’s administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is against the measure. The truth of the matter is, though, justice and human values should take precedence over politics.

The genocide of 1915 sought to wipe out the Armenian culture with the massacre of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians. Women and children were brutally raped, dehydrated, and starved while on death marches led by the Ottoman Empire.
The term genocide is defined by Merriam-Webster as the “deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.” By this legal definition, it is impossible to deny that the mass-killings of 1915 were indeed intended to exterminate the Armenian people altogether and was, therefore, a genocide.

Earlier this month, the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed House Resolution 232 which would officially label these massacres as genocide. However, this is only the first step, and a baby step at that. The measure has yet to go through Congress in April and win the floor vote. And although President Obama promised to acknowledge the genocide while on the campaign trail, he has recently discouraged the passing of the resolution due to the U.S’s current alliance with Turkey.

Clearly, it is all about the politics; while the President does not deny that the genocide has occurred, he has noted that the timing of the resolution is just not right, the alliance being too important to the United States.

So, why should we care? This issue is not only in the best interests of the Armenian people, it is a human rights issue. By passing this resolution, we can gradually begin to put an end to genocides around the world, such as the current situations in Congo and Sudan.

Adolf Hitler, influenced by the Armenian Genocide, was infamously quoted to have said, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” By shining an international light on the genocide of 1915, we will ultimately be saying, “This is not ok.” Think of what would happen, for example, if murderers and sex offenders were brushed off and not convicted; crime rates would sky rocket and basic human rights would go out the window.

Turning a blind eye to the mass killings of an entire nation is morally wrong, no matter how significant the ties between the U.S. and Turkey. The very fact that the Turkish government is adamantly denying the genocide rather than accepting it as a part of history should prompt the United States to do the right thing, even if it means cutting off its political ties.

Do we really need an ally that, almost one hundred years later, fails to accept the truth… even going so far as to recall its U.S. ambassador upon the passing of House Resolution 232 and arrest any of its citizens who claim the genocide occurred (while, interestingly, that law is just the opposite in Switzerland and France, where it is illegal to deny the genocide happened)?

Hopefully, our government will do the right thing by finally accepting the Armenian genocide and facing any backlash with heads held high.



http://sundial.csun.edu/2010/03/stop-the-politicking-and-recognize-armenian-genocide/
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2 comments:

Nick said...

Jake makes some very good points in what seems to have developed into a wide ranging and freewheeling exchange of views. This material was in response to article in the Daily Sundial, a college newspaper at California State University, Northridge. There is a point that he has not followed up however and this is the references to Rafael Lemkin by Armenian genocide proponents. It is worth looking at since it typifies the tone of the debate. Lemkin coined the term “genocide” basing his frame of reference on the experience of European Jewry under the Nazis and also, we are told, of the Armenian experience. While Lemkin was contemporary to events in Europe and was able to draw on current events around him this was not the case with his assessment of the Armenian experience in the Ottoman Empire. Simply put, his analyses on the Armenian case were as good- or bad- as his sources and it has provided much of the foundation for genocide mythology. Lemkin, of course, was as much the product of his own cultural prejudices as anyone else; these cultural prejudices affected his judgement. As an illustration of this one can refer here to Lemkin’s assessment of the experience of the Herero and Nama peoples of South West Africa under colonial German rule at the turn of the 18th/ 19th century. Although most modern historians would assess the Herero/ Nama experience to have been one of genocide victimhood (in the 20th century’s first genocide) with many features consistent to the Jewish experience in Nazi Europe (unlike the Armenian case), Lemkin did not think so. He held this opinion for curious and now dated culturally based reasons. He believed that excesses committed in South West Africa were due to Prussian militarism and weak colonial government and while some aspects of German behaviour might be genocidal he never used the word “genocide” in this context. In fact, he attributes much of the mortality of the Herero simply to bad colonial governance and to the curious concept, prevalent at the time, of “race suicide”; by their behaviour they contributed to the reduction of their own birth rate. Other inconsistencies exist, but in his analysis of the Armenian experience he is much surer of his ground, even though that ground is based on European prejudices against the Turks and for the Armenians. It is also worth pointing out that there were three “Blue Books” produced relating to World War I. The first relating to the Belgian Atrocities at the start of the war and which has largely been debunked as propaganda. The second, the Treatment of the Armenians, produced by Bryce, and which has been held to be sacrosanct and exempt from scrutiny in spite of its many clear and consistent failings. The third the 1919 Blue Book on Colonial South West Africa. This third Blue Book was, for a number of reasons, the most accurate and verifiable of all the Blue Books but was withdrawn from libraries and destroyed in large numbers because it was considered unconducive to racial harmony in the post war period. - Harmony between Anglo and Boer rather between white and black. Lemkin certainly regarded the people of Africa with a prejudiced European eye...this same “eye” viewed Turks negatively and Armenians positively. A widely used and much praised book of Geography used in schools across America, published in the 1820s and 30s described Turks very briefly as “ ignorant , bigoted and vicious but saying of the Greeks “they are more lively, ingenious, and are Christians.” Of “Armenia” it was sufficient to describe it merely as a place “inhabited by Christians.” It was from these simple thumbnail sketches, driven by a sense of cultural and religious superiority that western prejudices grew. In short, Lemkin was as reliable as his own sources of cultural and material knowledge. Constant reference to Lemkin constitutes a peculiar circular argument that Armenian protagonists like to deploy. Like a circle, it may have a desirable and even pleasurable harmony, but it goes nowhere and adds nothing to this particular narrative. Which may of course, be the point.

(93.80.108.xxx) Moscow City, Russian Federation said...

To Jake & Nick,

Top notch commentary from both of you.

it's a fresh breath of air to me and I personally want more please

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