- Controversy About After Jack Lang On Armenian Genocide LeMonde 03.02.09
- Armenian Lobby: Who Wants To Intimidate Jack Lang? 4Feb2009, Dussardier
- * Armenian Genocide: Jack Lang explained 4Feb2009
- * Armenian Genocide: The Mea Culpa Of Jack Lang Ignites The Net 4Feb2009
- *Ara Toranian, former chairman of the Coordination Committee of Armenian Associations in France (CCAF) wrote a strident article
- *Armenian Revolutionary Federation Published A Vitriolic Posts
- *CCAF (Coordinating Council of Armenian Organizations of France) Sent A Violent Letter To Jack Lang
Latest Update :Jack Lang has been silenced, He now works for the Dashnaks
Editors
- Controversy About After Jack Lang On The Armenian Genocide LeMonde.fr | 03.02.09 |
- Armenian Lobby: Who Wants To Intimidate Jack Lang? 4 February 2009, Dussardier Heading France
- Armenian Genocide: Jack Lang Explained 4 February 2009 by Stéphane / armenews
Following the article published yesterday by the Nouvel Obs, from the pen of Usul Gauthier, titled "Jack Lang puts quotes in the genocide of Armenians (see below), the reactions of many readers have upset the former minister of culture, explained in a reply sent to the online journal in the following hours, said he was "saddened by the unfair and dishonest campaign orchestrated against me about Armenia. My position is clear. "
Sir,
Did you just think a second that the descendants of victims could themselves be saddened to hear of your statements?
Bernard-Henri Lévy has said and insisted: "History is written".
Jean Eckian
www.inhomage.com
"Jack Lang puts quotes in the genocide of Armenians" by Ursula Gauthier
NOUVELOBS.COM | 03.02.2009 | 12:05
PS He expresses regret for having voted for the resolution recognizing what he describes today as "Armenian genocide in quotation marks. Unanimous indignation of the Armenians in France.
What fly has stung So Jack Lang? A video circulating on the Internet shows the former Minister of Culture to his mea culpa for having passed the law recognizing the Armenian genocide of 1915 - adopted unanimously on 18 January 2001. This is the video of the symposium held in Blois, 11 October 2008 by the Association for Freedom of the story that is campaigning against what are known as memory. Jack Lang first reaffirms its support for the law that penalizes Gayssot the denial of Jewish and Gypsy genocides. However, with a visible contrition, he acknowledged being "doubly guilty of having voted for the resolution recognizing what he describes today as" Armenian genocide in quotation marks.
A "monstrous"
Why "doubling"? Because he was both "member and chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly."
Why "in quotes? Because, he said, "We need that historians too do their work."
The tone hardens when it refers to the law criminalizing denial of Armenian Genocide, passed in 2006 by the National Assembly and waiting to be ratified by the Senate. In "offense against the instructions of his own group, Jack Lang said he" refused to vote as a monster "that he" lets the criminal proceedings against historians, people, journalists undertake to discuss for examining the extent, the reality on the forms of the massacres of Armenians. " Because yes, he admits, "there was massacre."
As for the members who voted this text, they were animated by Lang or "commiseration moral" nor a "commitment to a story" but simply "electoral concerns.
"Cynicism"
Jack Lang is he aware that each of these arguments is ressés ad nauseam negationist sites in Turkey, which each other today of its alignment with their speech? This volte-face in any case has caused outrage in the Armenian community of France, committed to the recognition of a genocide that continues to be actively denied by the Turkish state. The Coordination Council of Armenian Organizations of France (CCAF) said in an open letter that Jack Lang had not only voted for this law, but he had been one of the main defenders. He denounced the use of quotation marks, a "cast doubt on its reality." The Socialist Party condemns Armenian turn to the "cynicism" of the member of the Pas-de-Calais who "dishonor and shame on the institutions of the Republic". Finally, the news magazine of Armenia reiterates the forum that Jack Lang had published in its columns on 1 March 2000. He wrote with great conviction: "The denial of the Armenian genocide and some of our complacency vis-à-vis a heinous negationism must be fought relentlessly." At a time when 30 000 Turkish citizens have signed a petition moving to the Armenians asking forgiveness for the "Great Disaster" of 1915 and its denial, the time seems to editions Denoel "shameful act", major work of the courageous Turkish historian Taner Akçam, which demonstrates full responsibility Turkish in genocide (without quotation marks) of the Armenians, the mea culpa countdown Jack Lang made stain.
Ursula Gauthier
Journalist for foreign
Armenian Genocide: Jack Lang made amends
NOUVELOBS.COM | 03.02.2009 | 17:25
In response to the article by Ursula Gauthier published on Tuesday nouvelobs.com, Jack Lang sent us this text. He says he will continue to fight for that worldwide genocide of the Armenian people is recognized, particularly in Turkey. "Here is the response to Jack Lang's article Ursula Gauthier: Jack Lang is inverted on the genocide of Armenians.
"I am saddened by the unfair and dishonest campaign orchestrated against me about Armenia. My position is clear.
1. Minister of Culture, I have ceased to encourage and support the culture and the Armenian language.
2. My, in my capacity as Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, have passed by the Assembly's statement on Armenian genocide. I then broke it was not simply that the Senate adopted in identical terms.
3. I am not in a favorable effect to the laws of criminalization on the challenge of historical facts. It is better to convince them that constrain. I have encouraged in Turkey seminars and meetings between Armenian and Turkish historians. Gradually, the important sections of Turkish opinion evolve positively. I am surprised that my contempteur today do not fight more for the adoption by the Senate of the law criminalizing the Armenian genocide to which they both appear to hold.
4. I still believe that a condition for Turkey's accession to the EU is the recognition by Turkey of the Armenian genocide. "
A final word: We must remember the context of what I have lent. It was in the context of a scientific debate among historians about the competence of parliaments to enact legislation memorial. It is not the invectives that will change one iota my convictions. I will continue to fight for that worldwide genocide of the Armenian people is recognized, including in Turkey.
Sincerely,
Jack Lang - Armenian Genocide: The Mea Culpa Of Jack Lang Ignites The Net 4 February 2009 by Stéphane / armenews
In a video tour on 11 October 2008 at Blois, the Socialist member of the Pas-de-Calais, Jack Lang, questions the law passed in January 2001, which recognized the Armenian genocide of 1915. "I passed the first resolution of the National Assembly - in quotes, can we say, because it takes too that historians do their work - the Armenian genocide. I voted because I believe that It was an act of moral, repair history. I do not know if I react the same way today. "
Jack Lang was speaking before the Association for the History Freedom, chaired by the historian Pierre Nora. "At that time [the vote], takes Jack Lang, was chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, so I am doubly guilty, if I may say so, because Committee Chairman and member .
In a letter to nouvelobs.com, the former minister of culture that he has not changed its position and continues to fight for that worldwide genocide of the Armenian people is recognized, and especially in Turkey. " He said that these remarks were made in the framework of a scientific debate among historians about the competence of Parliament to enact laws memorial.
PS because the member was one of the main defenders of the law of January 2001. In 2000, Jack Lang had signed an article in the New Armenia. "Recognize the existence of genocide applies to all, because such a plan involves humanity as a whole. The denial of the Armenian genocide and some of our complacency vis-à-vis a heinous negationism must be combated tirelessly, "wrote then Jack Lang. In 1999, Jack Lang had even signed the preface of a book entitled The News of the genocide of Armenians, signed by the Defense Committee of the Armenian cause.
But nothing happens: viewed thousands of times on Dailymotion, the Nouvel Obs or other sites, this video has to react. The Armenian and Turkish communities in France are mobilizing over the Internet to challenge or defend the member. Turkey News calls "to support Jack Lang, the target of Armenian nationalists." Gamkonline, a site of the Armenian community, said that the election in the Pas-de-Calais "insulting France and its humanistic values."
Thibaud Vuitton
LeMonde.fr | 03.02.09 | 18h36 • Mis à jour le 03.02.09 | 20h48 - During the last days, Ara Toranian, former chairman of the Coordination Committee of Armenian Associations in France (CCAF) wrote a strident article about these apologies:
Revisionism: The Incredible Lang Blois, 27 January 2009, Stéphane / armenews
It was believed to have seen everything and heard in matters of treason, but the reversal of Jack Lang on the law on the recognition of the genocide of Armenians left completely stunned. The socialist leader, who was one of the architects of this resolution, which participated for the conference to defend the Committee of Defense of the Armenian Cause organized at the Sorbonne in 1998 and has increased at the time the speeches and position in its favor, is now on its commitments. Under pressure from a certain conception of political correctness (in the most benevolent of assumptions), it now says in effect that he does not know if revoterait such a resolution.
In a statement made on 11 October 2008 at Blois in the debate "Freedom for history" led by President Pierre Nora eponym of the association, former Minister of Culture is an amazing book "mea culpa". It proclaims in effect, as a member, but also as chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, twice voted guilty of this Act "in quotes Armenian genocide."
Palinodie This calls into question the reality of the extermination was taken in early January by the site "European Turkey" which defends the revisionist theories on this crime against humanity. In addition, Jack Lang does not have enough words to condemn the hard grounds "electioneering" that he would have pushed the parliamentarians, led yet it was, to pass this law. Finally, he denounced with unusual virulence of the vote by 12 October 2006 which the National Assembly charged the denial of genocide.
That meet the face of such denial, such a felony with the victims of the first genocide of the twentieth century such inconsistency and self-indulgence? Probably not much if it is contained within a certain restraint. Except perhaps Judas refer to its mirror and remind Jack Lang "free opinion" he had written to the issue of 51 Magazine News Armenia on 1 March 2000 on the question:
Video: http://www.dailymotion.com Here or Here
If not accessible from your country please use proxy access.
Please clik on "Menu", then "Sous-titres" for the English subtitles.
Blois - Freedom for history - Statement by Jack Lang
The Victory Of The Duty Of Memory On Realpolitik
The View Of Jack Lang In Armenia News:
Forget the victims of the Armenian genocide of 1915, it would be the "murder a second time" under the strong expression of Elie Wiesel. To avoid this serious misconduct, the National Assembly unanimously adopted on 29 May 1998, a law copy: "France recognizes publicly the Armenian genocide of 1915." The simplicity and clarity of this formulation is heavy with meaning. It was not that day to settle a historical problem. It was to fill a gap in political question of courage and justice. The duty of memory needed to Realpolitik.
The decision of the National Assembly took several meanings. First, it rendered justice to the Armenians of France, models of integration remarkable in their adopted home since the disaster of 1915. It was also a gesture of sympathy for the entire Armenian people, most recently with a state. She had a moral and a rule of law: certain crimes. Genocide is one of those. Recognize that a genocide is needed at all, because such a plan involves humanity as a whole. The denial of the Armenian genocide and some of our complacency vis-à-vis a heinous negationism must be fought relentlessly.
We now know that it is impossible to begin a grief without justice and that perpetrators are, at least, appointed when it is too late to punish. Turks and Armenians should gather around a common historical memory, to finally settle the accounts of the past and establish a trusting relationship oriented towards the future. Devoir policy then. Intellectual, too, no less difficult. The decision of the National Assembly is a double act: recognition of past event, message for future generations. Do not let time, the wrong reasons, low intentions, black make up a page unreadable too obscure in the history of mankind.
Seek to fill the enormous between reflection and experience that makes the vastness unspeakable. Elie Wiesel admits that the task is difficult but very necessary, "which has not experienced the event never know, and who has lived, never did reveal. Not really. No way.. "
The duty of memory is a moral standing. President François Mitterrand and reaffirmed in January 1984, the Armenians of France: "It is not possible to erase the traces of the genocide that you hit. This must be enshrined in the memories of people and the sacrifice to serve as teaching young people at the same time as the will to survive so that we can, over time, that this people does not belong to the past, that it is present and it has a future. "
It is a truth valid yesterday, today, tomorrow, here, there, everywhere. That is why the Senate can not continue to shirk their duty and should formally recognize the Armenian genocide. This is the best way for France's contribution to the establishment of a peaceful and lasting relationship between Turks and Armenians have to engage in their work on historical memory. And what is needed between Turks and Armenians is equally between Turks and Kurds.
Jack Lang - The Armenian Revolutionary Federation Published A Vitriolic Posts:
Jack Lang Insult France And Its Values Of Humanism Under The Fra Dachnaktsoutioun, 29 January 2009, Stéphane / armenews
It is with dismay that the FRA Dachnaktsoutioun has taken note of the scandalous About Jack Lang at the opening of the debate "Freedom for history", held in Blois on 11 October.
Jack Lang, who in the recent past has supported and voted for the law of the French Republic affirming the reality of the Armenian genocide of 1915, holds about openly deniers. Remember also that Jack Lang had signed the preface to the book "the news of the genocide of Armenians" published by the CDCA in October 1999.
He talks about the Armenian genocide in quotation marks. He was convicted of having participated in the vote on the law on the genocide of Armenians, and says he refused to vote in the National Assembly, the draft law criminalizing denial of Armenian genocide, calling it the "monstrous ". This legislation is stalled in the Senate for two and a half years, pending a on the agenda. Jack Lang, in his words, took the new rhetoric of denial of the Armenian genocide.
It grows cynicism reaffirming its support for the Gayssot law, criminal law punishing France in the denial of Jewish and Gypsy genocides, and at the same time eliminates the need for a law protecting the memory of the Armenian genocide in France.
It takes an argument of the new flagship deniers is to bring the reality of the genocide of Armenians in endless discussions.
Jack Lang is shame and dishonor the institutions of the republic.
Jack Lang reveals the face of Holocaust denial in all its cowardice.
Jack Lang insult France and its values of humanism.
Republicans in this country can not accept this statement and this attitude outrageous.
We ask you to report Mr. Jack Lang.
DACHNAKTSOUTIOUN FRA / Western Europe
Paris, 28 January 2009 - The CCAF (Coordinating Council of Armenian Organizations of France) Itself Sent A Violent Letter To Jack Lang:
The CFC is responding to what Jack Lang
Mr Jack LANG, Former Minister
Member of the Pas de Calais, 74 rue du Chemin Vert, 62200 BOULOGNE SUR MER
Ref. : 2009/CCAF/Pst-008 PJ. : 1, Paris, 28 January 2009
Mr,
We are extremely surprised and shocked by what you said during the debate "Freedom for history" led by Pierre Nora in Blois, taken recently by the website "European Turkey" (see text attached).
Indeed, you seem to be delivered to a mea culpa incredible, so casual, on a matter as serious as the Armenian genocide of 1915, recognized by France with a law promulgated on 29 January 2001 by the President of the Republic, Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Lionel Jospin.
While you were one of the architects of this law, you have participated in seminars and meetings in its favor, you have increased interventions and statements to the vote on this text and criticized the Senate seemed to delay vote, you turn around and tell Blois quite the opposite of your positions and commitments that we previously believed sincere. Thus, "you look twice voted guilty of this law on the Armenian genocide in quotes because you were a member and chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly."
What a pity that you have not added it was as a human being in love with justice and truth as you also say a few years ago.
About your current positions and are unacceptable and are pure denial of genocide, a crime against humanity. What if a politician were to say that he regretted having voted for the Gayssot Act of 1990 regarding the criminalization of the denial of the Holocaust?
What would you respond to this person who looks like a law "allows the prosecution of historians, against persons, against citizens, against journalists, who would undertake to discuss, question the extent, on the Actually, in the form of massacres? You would, like us, outraged by such remarks and attitudes, convictions and wondering as racism and anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial is considered a crime in our Republic, which has its values and principles of both universal and humanistic.
In your words, not only will you make the Holocaust a special case, stating that his denial should be condemned, but you get your reservation, or even your opposition to everything related to the denial of the Armenian genocide that you qualify for second Armenia Act "which is a law that affects society as a whole and the fight against Holocaust denial.
I would like to draw your attention to the inadmissibility of your comments and stressed their total contravention with the law previously cited and passed unanimously by the national representation when you were Minister of Education and promulgated in the official for eight years.
The words and phrases you use are a real insult to the memory of the 1,500,000 victims of the genocide recognized by including the international and European bodies like the UN, the European Parliament and an affront to their descendants that we are. They are also an insult to the memory of humanity. The French-Armenian thought that a law of the French Republic and all the provisions in Europe or elsewhere, the memory and historical truth will triumph over decades of silence and complicity with a state still denial. We must note that you seem to guide you now on a different path, that of realpolitik and cynicism that can be characterized.
Therefore, it seems highly advisable that you bring a clear and precise on your positions, and that can stop the current offensive and contrary to reality, objectivity and more importantly to the morality that you invoke often in your speeches.
When there's talk of a genocide that took place, there can be no doubt exist, put the word in quotation marks or talk casually. We can not accept such a situation.
Finally, I inform you that this letter is also sent for information to Ms. Martine Aubry and Mr. François Hollande, respectively current and past first secretary of the Socialist Party to Jean-Marc Ayrault, President of the Socialist Group in the National Assembly and that Catherine Génisson, First Secretary of the Federation PS Pas de Calais. The contents of this letter will be made public and the response that you make.
In the meantime, please believe me, Mr, expression of my distinguished sentiments.
Alexis GOVCIYAN
Speech by Mr Jack Lang, 11 October 2008, Blois
"I turn a word about who we meet, I do not at all exhausted in a few words, and I am surrounded at the moment of eminent specialists who have worked, and then in the room Similarly there are great historians intervene. Some words in bulk, I am not prepared to talk, a few words to say in bulk at the heart of this discussion is freedom, freedom of thought, freedom to seek freedom to discover the freedom to ask questions. Freedom ... and it is both a conviction and a temperament. I believe that in all matters relating to intelligence, art, creation, freedom must be the principle, sometimes even absolute, and we can not make exceptions or conditions may, in certain circumstances perfectly defined, freedom of thought, including forgiveness may be politically incorrect, including think evil. If we do not recognize the right to think, think evil, then the point is freedom.
I will not think badly of course, everyone has their beliefs, values, but at the same time it should, except within certain limits, and unfortunately to propose a topic or question you are going to discuss, what we believe that by reasoning or by intuition or emotion or because we are citizens of that time, the law on the Holocaust and the denial of the Holocaust must be respected as such? Why, how? And why are we reserved, if not hostile to other acts of proclamation and especially to other criminal laws related to historical facts?
I take a concrete example to move forward, so I do not answer the question that I ask, it will be in the debates. To move forward a little in my question, I take the example of Armenia. It is that myself, so I have to say the truth as it should, I passed the first resolution of the National Assembly on the recognition, in quotes, can we say, because it is also necessary that historians do their work, the Armenian genocide. I voted because I thought it was an act of moral and repair history, and given the absolute refusal of the Turkish government to accept any discussion, any debate on this subject, it seemed to me the French National Assembly could perform this act. I do not know if I react the same way today, but in any case I have voted. And at the time, I was chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, so I am doubly guilty, if I may say, MP and chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee. However, I am prepared with force against the second law on Armenia, already at that time I committed a crime, vis a vis the instructions of my own group, I refused to vote as a text monstrous.
It allows the prosecution against historians, against persons, against citizens, against journalists, who would undertake to discuss, reflect on the magnitude, the reality on the forms of killing (there were massacres ) of Armenians committed by the Turkish armed. Yes, he must speak clearly, those who voted it did not at all a kind of moral commiseration, not at all a kind of attachment to a story. They did so simply by electoral concerns, thinking and raise the voice of the Armenian community of France, who deserves our respect. But at the same time, the duty of a senior politician, a member of Parliament, a minister, is to carry out its mandate with courage and conviction, and to resist any pressure whatsoever . And the consequence of this vote absurd, unacceptable to the National Assembly, was in Turkey itself, I participated as a guest professor of the Bilgi University in Istanbul, we were able to convene a committee of Historians mixed Turkish and Armenian, was a first, which had agreed to meet, discuss, think to compare their views, discuss their assessments. And this vote was such that it echoes blocked temporarily, this work is essential to understand, to know the historical reality in the region.
In a video tour on 11 October 2008 at Blois, the Socialist member of the Pas-de-Calais, Jack Lang, questions the law passed in January 2001, which recognized the Armenian genocide of 1915. "I passed the first resolution of the National Assembly - in quotes, can we say, because it takes too that historians do their work - the Armenian genocide. I voted because I believe that It was an act of moral, repair history. I do not know if I react the same way today. "
Jack Lang spoke to the association Freedom for history, chaired by the historian Pierre Nora. "At that time [the vote], takes Jack Lang, was chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, so I am doubly guilty, if I may say so, because Committee Chairman and member .
by galileoz
In a letter to nouvelobs.com, the former minister of culture that he has not changed its position and continues to fight for that worldwide genocide of the Armenian people is recognized, and especially in Turkey. " He said that these remarks were made in the framework of a scientific debate among historians about the competence of arliament P enact laws to memory. "
PS because the member was one of the main defenders of the law of January 2001. In 2000, Jack Lang had signed an article in the New Armenia. "Recognize the existence of genocide applies to all, because such a plan involves humanity as a whole. The denial of the Armenian genocide and some of our complacency vis-à-vis a heinous negationism must be combated tirelessly, "wrote then Jack Lang. In 1999, Jack Lang had even signed the preface of a book entitled The News of the genocide of Armenians, signed by the Defense Committee of the Armenian cause.
But nothing happens: viewed thousands of times on Dailymotion, the Nouvel Obs or other sites, this video has to react. The Armenian and Turkish communities in France are mobilizing over the Internet to challenge or defend the member. Turkey News calls "to support Jack Lang, the target of Armenian nationalists." Gamkonline, a site of the Armenian community, says that the elected Pas-de-Calais "insulting France and its humanistic values."
Thibaud Vuitton
Michelle B. 04.02.09 |
The Turks today have even less of repentance - sincere or not - that for a century "on" has never talked about this genocide, it was denied (it still is) by the leaders , so by the manuals and therefore scolairss Turkish public opinion. Are not asked Turkey today to repent of what we're doing their grandparents (or great grand parents), but to recognize the historical truth - simply.
Champignac 04.02.09 |
Abolition of all laws blocking the historical research and debate: a necessity in France.
JL 04.02.09 |
Hop hop, I return my jacket and I appeal to the French, and those easy to fool, to take them to witness my new conversion. Hop hop, I return my jacket!
Marie Claude R. 04.02.09 |
I have no sympathy for Jack Lang, but there are fools who never change their minds. It was not for the law to rule on the history and they are all known as the "memorial" to be abolished. Gradually, freedom of expression is reduced in Europe as a shrinking. Enough!
Philippe B. 04.02.09 |
Building the story is good, the political recognition is better. The millions of deaths in Armenia deserve better than a few lines in a history book, and recognize that genocide is a good way to put pressure on some instances of extremist Turkish power.
Julot 04.02.09 |
The memorial laws are laws freak who terrorize all historians and all supporters of free opinion. Their abolition is an emergency. This is not the legislature to build the history is for historians.
Gerard B. 04.02.09 |
Make judgments about the facts of nearly a century with the current morality is absurd. None of the authors or makers of genocide is alive today to answer for his crimes. How the Turks of today could they have a sincere repentance (otherwise it's tartufferie) acts they did not commit? No, children are neither responsible, nor judges the actions of their fathers. Let the historians decide. And wake up after 85 years is neither glorious nor courageous.
yetto 04.02.09 |
Pitiful contortions of Jack Lang facing a aeropage historians to whom he wished to shine so he returns his jacket. He falls immediately in politics cheap citing concerns for the electoral vote of the law when it comes to facts for a long time. Yes, but the man was invited to Turkey and it seems to have the greatest respect for the official Turkish historians we understand everything!
G. MICHEL 03.02.09 |
What credit granted to a man whose political career will resume at the fete de la musique and for which the history will only return her brushing
michel o. 03.02.09 |
It is true that the laws are a great memorial stupidity. But this man can not exist. Unless the fish pilot dispatched to make the turkey the lever of a negotiation in palestine against an entry in the EU.
rastaman 03.02.09 |
quotation marks! more than a million Armenians died genocide under a process that has served as an example or model to Hitler, saying the same of him. What this politician is able to say or do me hurt.
ROBERT A. 03.02.09 |
Good people are distinguished also by their courage to seek, teach and defend the truth. Especially for crimes against humanity, their prevention, their conviction and penalty. It is a matter that concerns us all. The Jewish Polish lawyer Rafael Lemkin and Turkish historian Taner Akçam have understood. Please read their biographies and their work on genocide. Exercise your freedom to act like them.
JACQUES S. 03.02.09 |
Let's be optimistic, perhaps Jack Lang he understood the futility of laws memorial. If only we had stopped with the law Gayssot instead of open competition memories ... An example: if I say that there were no more deaths among blacks that led to slavery in marine, I may fall on the Law Taubira. But it is true and understandable: the poor slaves had a market value.
Jacquesleborgne 03.02.09 |
But my god what a hypocrite, he returned to his jacket whenever he spoke. What poor politician!
gus 03.02.09 |
let everyone have a free opinion and take a free trial on the facts. Otherwise, tomorrow and the train which advance our jurisprudence, you will be condemned simply for an event called the "great evil", while the standard described as "very very great misfortune."
Collectif VAN + 03.02.09 |
Lang argues: "It was as part of a scientific debate among historians. His beliefs are variable according to the public he addresses? The former Minister of Culture does it not the meaning of the quotes he used in a sentence worthy of the worst deniers: "I voted for the resolution on the recognition, in quotes, can we say (because it is also necessary that historians do their work), the Armenian genocide. "Lamentable!
Occam 03.02.09 |
It's the genocide in quotes ", which ticks. There is a consensus of historians (not Turkish) on the qualification of genocide, then, whether for or against the law, put quotation marks at the term genocide is rather awkward, if not shocking. But perhaps I should put quotation marks at the end of evolution, since some scientists believe not illuminated? There is a threshold when doubt becomes the denial to the obvious.
Thomas W. 03.02.09 |
Oh, overnight, the Turkish power is returned to non grata and the Armenian genocide a forgery, since the misdemeanor Erdogan against Shimon Peres in Davos. Ficelle a large gentlemen.
Aesop! Aesop! 03.02.09 |
Freedom for history, more than ever. Jack Lang came to demonstrate in a statement and a retraction flash that history suffers when politicians take it hostage, whether French, Turkish and Armenian.
lannig 03.02.09 |
Jack Lang does not disagree with his position on the Armenian genocide but rather on the determination by the law of history. I am only because our laws, and is happy, condemn the Nazi Holocaust denial an Act Scho then why not on the Armenian genocide? But eminent historians are fighting the idea of "freeze" the history and what they say must be heard. The article could be read as I quote: "this video has to react." There is a paucity of words in that sentence.
jlecynique 03.02.09 |
I find this kind of legislation shameful for democracy and those who vote should review the meaning of their mandate. and more when it is an event that has nothing to do with our history, what we melons we? it is simply a reflection of the political pressure of some political groups and lobbies who know them and use blackmail. is proper shame, despicable and outrageous.
ALAIN M. 03.02.09 |
The truth does not s'edicte by law even if it's hard for victims.
amf 03.02.09 |
Jack Lang does not question the existence of the Armenian genocide, as cerains Turkish pretend to believe, but the fact that "politics", politicians, mingle in the history and memory by legislating on these issues . There is no official story, there is a duty to remember him as a "historical duty" incumbent on researchers and citizens, not law. I do not like Jack Lang, but then I think his memorial in the debate going in the right direction.
vxnnhmfxd 03.02.09 |
I am not surprised by the reversal of J. LANG on this issue as on others, but here is very serious because the former minister "socialist" seullemnt will not deny but denies the obvious. I weigh that, given his age, Mr. Lang, I appreciated that as Minister of Culture, should be a lack of power, recognition, and I'm amazed that point-like supports and KOUCHNER BESSON clan-SARKOZY. Not everyone can call Lilian Thuram ...
Wily S. 03.02.09 |
The debate is not posed by the extremists on 2 sides. Everything indicates that there really was genocide of Armenians and Turkey is moving slowly to the reconnaisaance thereof. But it does neither a parliament nor a government to tell the story. The criminalization of the denial of Armenian genocide is silly and politically biased (against Turkey's accession to the EU).
EVENING VISITOR 03.02.09 |
This is not the first, it will not last! As Dutronc singing "I return my jacket still on their good side!
gus 03.02.09 |
Any act of memory is a crime against history. Do not let the church care of all religions to define scientific truth does not leave the task to legislators of all stripes to define historical truth as they face political pressure too great, and thus proclaimed Truth becomes highly suspect.
DOM.B. 03.02.09 |
A Tartufferie more the JL as many elephants PS anxious to have a posture that is ds air du Temps passed these laws dictated parl'emotion andthe compassion. Aujourdhui they seem useless because without much impact ( see the reaction of Turkey) without translation practice, but as his fellow amenée hinder historical research or freedom of expression which his apostasy, it seems that there is more joy ds le ciel ... ETC. for many believers on
Called "Judas" [1] person "revealing the face of Holocaust denial in all its cowardice" [2] (sic), compared to Bishop Williamson [3] (Bishop integrist and denial): nothing has been spared Jack Lang, former Dean of the Law Faculty of Nancy, a former Minister of Culture and Education, currently Socialist deputy from Pas-de-Calais.
So what Mr. Lang? He just attended the launch of the appeal of Blois. With great historians such as Pierre Nora, Henry Rousso (the inventor of the word "denial") or Gilles Veinstein - the list is too long - he courageously defended freedom of expression, this freedom that Much of threatening politicians, for electioneering by blindness or ignorance, these monsters with legal, unconstitutional, as the memorial laws (Law on the "Armenian genocide" Taubira law, law Mékachéra proposed mass).
In addition, Mr. Lang said, in the case of Armenian "genocide in quotation marks. Mr. Lang did and the existence of strong arguments put forward by major historians who worked on Ottoman history, against the concept of genocide in this case [4].
So why this verbal intemperance, this indignity, this virulence defamatory? The answer is in the identity of those who launched these attacks vipérines.
1) Ara Toranian was the beginning of 1976 to July 1983, spokesman for the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), then, a splinter group, the ASALA-Revolutionary Movement, dismantled by the French police in the fall of 1985. From 1976 to 1988, Mr. Toranian was also editor of a newspaper, Hay Baykar ( "Armenian Combat"), supporting terrorism in terms of particularly aggressive [5].
On 11 June 1981, at the head of a group of armed men, Mr. Toranian occupied for several hours the offices of Turkish Airlines at Orly, demanding the release of the ASALA terrorists imprisoned at the time. The band of thugs was finally evacuated by the police, after protests from the Turkish Embassy [6].
At the time Mr. Toranian is spokesman of the ASALA, the group is guilty, inter alia, the following crimes [7]:
- The murder of Oktar CIRIT, first secretary of the Turkish Embassy in Beirut on 16 February 1976 (see photo).
- The placement of a bomb at the home of the Shaw family, on the night of 4 October 1977, while they slept. Considering the damage caused, the intention is likely homicide.
- A series of bomb attacks, against Turkish targets, not Turkish, Switzerland, Italy and Iran, 22 August 1979 to 18 February 1980, including the El Al offices in Rome, by hatred of "Zionism" ( read: Jews).
- The bomb the offices of Turkish Airlines, the Turkish Tourist Office in Rome on 10 March 1980 that killed two bystanders and injured Italian fourteen.
- The assassination of Galip Ozmen, attached to the Turkish Embassy in Greece, and his 14 year old daughter, Neslihan, 31 July 1980 (see photos).
- The shooting at the Turkish Consulate in Lyon, which left two people dead on 5 August 1980.
- The assassination attempt against Selçuk BakaIbasi, head of the press at the Turkish Embassy in Paris on 26 September 1980. Mr. Bakalbasi, shot in the head, is paralyzed since.
- A probable involvement in the attack against the synagogue in the rue Copernic in Paris (requires anti-Semitism), 4 October 1980. The attack was also claimed by ASALA.
- A second series of bomb attacks, against targets in Turkey and Switzerland, 12 October 1980 to 5 February 1981.
- The assassination of work attached to the Turkish Embassy in France, Resat Morali and Ari Tecelli, Advisor for Religious Affairs, on 4 March 1981.
- The assassination of Mehmet Yergüz, secretary of the Turkish consulate in Geneva on 9 June 1981 (see photo).
- The taking of hostages at the Turkish Consulate General in Paris on 24 September 1981, where a security guard, Cemal Ozen, is killed.
- A third series of bomb attacks, against French targets of 25 October 1981 to 19 February 1982.
- The bomb in a cinema Armenian from Beirut, 26 March 1982, killing two people seriously injured and sixteen, all of Armenia. Reason: the owner of the cinema refused to pay money to ASALA, and grew up provocation Turkish distribute films.
- The shooting of 7 August 1982, at Ankara airport, which is ten dead and 82 wounded (see photo).
- The bomb the Paris office of the travel agency Marmara, 28 February 1983, which killed the Secretary Renée Morin and injured four other French.
By its position, Mr. Toranian was taken, if not to inspire all those crimes, at least to claim to them. The ASALA-MR did not have time to carry out an attack before being destroyed by a police operation, but not envy it missing, given the arsenal found at the home of Monte Melkonian [8].
Mr. Toranian has sincerely renounced encourage murder and laying bombs to make a maximum of victims, but for one reason: he did these crimes occur more in the current circumstances, relevant to the spread of his ideas. To mark the admiration paid to terrorists of the time, armenews.com, Mr. Toranian site is web master, has a page to the glory of the terrorist Monte Melkonian, leader of the ASALA until 1983, then Chief the ASALA-MR [9].
2) The Armenian Revolutionary Federation - Dachnaktsoutioune (FRA-Dashnak) is an ultranationalist party, founded in 1890. The VAN is a group of subsidiaries of the FRA. Summarize in a few lines the crimes of the FRA and its political hypocrisy is the challenge.
For the period 1890-1945 were:
- A series of provocations in the 1890s, including the first hostage-taking in contemporary times, the Ottoman Bank (Istanbul) on 26 August 1896, which provoked the stated purpose (and succeeded, unfortunately, in beyond all hope) is to provoke violence anti pretext for intervention even more of the major powers in the Ottoman Empire [10];
- Two missed attacks against Sultan Abdulhamid II in 1905, the one that killed the founder of the FRA, Christapor Mikaelian, who died in manipulating the bomb he was preparing, which kills the other twenty-six people and injured fifty-eight [11];
- A series of political assassinations, from 1891 to 1912, which concluded with the assassination of Bedros Kapamaciyan, Armenian mayor of Van, 10 December 1912 [12];
- The massacre of civilians Muslims and Jews, between 1914 and 1922 [13];
- A second series of political assassinations between 1918 and 1933, culminating with the murder of Archbishop Tourian Leon, leader of the Armenian Church for the Americas, New York, 24 December 1933 [14];
- The participation of many of the FRA, with the authorization of the international management, the army of the Third Reich, especially in the Armenian 812th Battalion of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS [15].
In short, says Mikael Varandian, leader and ideologist of the USA during its first decades of existence, "maybe is there never been a revolutionary party - even by the Russians or the Narodovoletz Italian Carbonari - with a rich experience of terrorist acts that the FRA. In a difficult environment, she has trained hundreds of teachers of the pistol, the dagger and the bomb [...] [16]. "
From 1972 to 1986, the FRA has its own terrorist branch, the Commandos of the Armenian genocide justiciers (CJGA, renamed the Armenian Revolutionary Army in 1983), separate from the ASALA, which is a mixture of dissidents and activists FRA d another ultranationalist party, the Hintchak [17]. From 1975 to 1984, CJGA / ARA twenty kill Turkish diplomats or members of their staff or their immediate family [18].
In October 1982, the FBI arrested five terrorists CJGA, who participated in a dozen attacks, and planned to blow up the Turkish Consulate building in Philadlephie with an explosive device so powerful it could kill up 3 to 000 (you read), provided that the attack takes place at a busy hour [19].
The FRA has occasionally reactivated its terrorist network, particularly to assassinate Viktor Polianitchko (senior Russian) and General Ossetian Safonov in 1993 [20], then most likely to commit the massacre in the Armenian Parliament, in 1999 [21].
FRA never misses an opportunity to celebrate its terrorists, and ask for the release of a few who are still imprisoned. These are the kinds of posters were put up in the middle of Paris, by militants of FRA in July 2008:
The five are the five Lisbon crazy who entered, 25 July 1983 in the Turkish Embassy in Portugal, after killing a policeman Portuguese. They have blown up. The bomb also ripped the wife of the ambassador.
Note that the FRA expressed Socialist in France, which prevents the hate Philippe Kizirian, Socialist mayor of Saint-Chamond, and descendant of Armenian immigrants, as Mr. Kizirian beat a puppet of the FRA, the member François Rochebloine new Center, and wants to maintain good relations with Turkey from living in his city. In the United States, the FRA is an openly right-wing movement, which does not prevent its political arm, the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA), to finance all politicians plenty ready to relay its claims, the right wing of the Republican Party to the left wing of the Democratic Party. Lebanon and Armenia, the FRA is almost extreme right.
The militants of FRA love burning Turkish flags [22]. They did it to Marseille until 2003:
And Salonica until 2007, when the prosecutor continued contempt for these fanatics to foreign flag [23] (a crime in Greece):
Look at the heads.
The Dashnak still burning Turkish flags in Yerevan and Tbilisi.
Both CJGA / ARA ASALA that have used drug trafficking to finance. Nathan Adams, an editor at Reader's Digest, which has conducted a thorough investigation on the links between drug trafficking and international terrorism ", said before the subcommittee of the U.S. Senate in charge of the fight against the alcoholism and drug addiction, that "the Armenian terrorist groups, both left [ASALA] that right [CJGA] fired 90% of their income from drug trafficking during the past year [1982]." Mr. Adams states that a famous drug trafficker, the Armenian-Lebanese Noubar Soufoyon, capable of carrying on the U.S. '100 kg of heroin at one time "had" participated in the financing of the two Armenian terrorist groups with the result of its sale of drugs. " Mr. Soufoyon is indicted by the U.S. justice system in June 1981, then arrested by Greek police, but Athens, very friendly with ASALA, refuses to extradite him, in violation of the Interpol. Francis L. Mullen, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration to the U.S. Department of Justice, confirmed the investigation of Mr. Adams: "trafficker of heroin and hashish Noubar Soufoyon, whose activities are well known, was linked with the justices of the Commandos Armenian genocide [24]. "
Similarly, the French connection should have been called, more accurately, the "Armenian connection", the majority of traffickers this track, disbanded in 1972, being the descendants of Armenian immigrants, traffickers linked to Armenian-Lebanese and Armenian-Cypriot. In Switzerland, Noubar Soufiane, organizer of a double bombing on May 28, 1976, arrested by the police, appears to be a major smuggler of hashish. In Sweden, four traffickers of Armenian origin, related to ASALA, are sentenced for drug trafficking in 1982 [25].
Can we be completely sure that this activity has ceased?
3) As to the Coordinating Committee of Armenian de France (CCAF), the situation is easy to summarize. The FRA, directly and through its pseudopods (Defense Committee of the Armenian cause, collective VAN, Properties of Armenian culture, Blue Cross, etc..) Is by far the most influential force of the CFC. The President of CFC Lyon, Jules Mardirossian is a Dashnak. From 2003 to 2007, Mr. Toranian was president of CFC, and remains one of its strong men. Other trends of CFC include Hintchak the party, already mentioned above (the president of CFC Marseille, Pascal Chamassian is a hintchakiste), as well as the Armenian Medical Union of France (UMAF) [26], close to the Front National [27], which is very good with the FRA.
Speech by Mr Jack Lang in Blois Speech by Mr Jack Lang in Blois for historians, freedom of expression and research.
See online: Turkey News, Wednesday 4 February 2009
Notes:
[1] http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?Id_article=48602
[2] http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?Id_article=48686
[3] http://www.collectifvan.org/article.php?R=5&&id=26609
[4] Among them: Edward J. Erickson, "Armenian Massacres: New Records Undercut Old Blame," The Middle East Quarterly, Summer 2006, pp. 67-75 (English translation); Halaçoğlu Yusuf, The Story of 1915. What Happened to the Ottoman Armenians?, Ankara, TTK, 2008, "explains Bernard Lewis," Le Monde, January 1, 1994; Guenter Lewy, The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey. A Disputed Genocide, Salt Lake City, University of Utah Press, 2005, Justin McCarthy, Muslims and Minorities. The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of Empire, NY, New York University Press, 1983, Justin McCarthy and Carolyn McCarthy, Turks and Armenians. A Manual on the Armenian Question, Washington, ATAA, 1989, Andrew Mango, "Some recent books about the Armenians and the next stage of historiography about Turkish-Armenian Relations", XI. Türk Tarih Kongresi, Ankara, 1994, pp. 1945-1950; Mantran Robert (dir.), Histoire de l'Empire Ottoman, Paris, Fayard, 1989, pp. 623-625; Stanford J. Shaw and Ezel Kural Shaw, History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, New York-London-Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, Volume II, ed. revised and corrected, 1978, pp. 314-317; Veinstein Gilles, "Three questions about a massacre," The History, April 1995, and Malcolm E. Yapp, The Making of the Modern Near East. 1792-1923, London, Longman, 1987.
[5] Gaïdz Minassian, Armenian War and Terrorism, Paris, PUF, 2002, p. 46 Michael M. Gunter, "Pursuing the Just Cause of Their People." A Study of Contemporary Armenian Terrorism, Westport-New York-London, Greenwood Press, 1986 105. See also: http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?Id_article=28016
[6] Heath Lowry, "Breakdonwn of Armenian Terrorist Incidents, 1973-1987", in ATAA, Armenian Allegations: Myth and Reality, A Handbook of Facts and Documents, Washington, 1987.
[7] Heath Lowry, art. cit. Michael Gunter, op. cit., pp. 68-69; ATAA, A Chronicle of Armenian Terrorism in America and Elsewhere, paper presented American justice in 2000, and Françoise Thierry Vareilles Rudetzki, Encyclopedia of international terrorism, Paris, l'Harmattan, 2001, pp. 91 and 293.
[8] Heath Lowry, art. cit.
[9] http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?Id_article=31647
[10] William L. Langer, The Diplomacy of Imperialism, New York, Alfred A. Knopf, pp. 157-160, 322-325 and 349-350; General Mayewski, The Massacres of Armenia. Photographic fragments and translation, Istanbul, 1916, pp. 11 et seq. (original edition in Russian: Statistics of the provinces of Van and Bitlis, Saint Petersburg, military Printing, 1916).
[11] Gaïdz Minassian, Armenian War and Terrorism, op. , pp. 2; Kapriel S. Papazian, Patriotism Perverted, Boston, Baikar Press, 1934, p. 24; Guenter Lewy, op. , pp. 32.
[12] S. Kapriel Papazian, op. cit., pp. 13-18 and 68-69; Heath Lowry, "Nineteenth and Twentieth Century Armenian Terrorism: 'Threads of Continuity', in International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara University Press, 1984 74; Hasan Oktay, "On the assassination of Van Mayor Kapamacyian by the Dasnak Committee, Review of Armenian Studies, I-1, 2002.
[13] See, inter alia: Turkish National Congress, Documents relating to atrocities committed by Armenians on the Muslim population, Istanbul, 1919 Hüseyin Çelik, Görenlerin Gözüyle Van'da Ermeni Mezalimi, Ankara, Yüzüncü Yıl Üniversitesi Yayınları, 1993, Enver Konukçu , Ermenilerin Yeflilyayla'daki Türk Soyka> r> m>, Ankara, Atatürk Üniversitesi Yayınları Rektörlüğü, 1990, Justin McCarthy, Justin McCarthy, "The Report of Niles and Sutherland," XI. Congresses Türk Tarih, Ankara 1994; Tarafindan Ermeniler yapılan katliam belgeleri, Ankara, 2001; Kara Schemsi, Turks and Armenians to history, Geneva, Imprimerie nationale, 1919, Azmi Süslü, Van, Bitlis, Mus, ve Ermeni Kars'taki Katliamlar, Ankara, Van Yüzüncü Yıl Üniversitesi Rektörlüğü Yayını, 1994.
[14] S. Kapriel Papazian, op. cit., pp. 58-62, and 69-73; Ben Alexander, "Contested Memories, Divided Diaspora," Journal of American Ethnic History, Fall 2007.
[15] John Roy Carlson (Arthur A. Derounian), "The Armenian Displaced Persons", Armenian Affairs, Winter 1949-1950, "Dro, became pro-Nazi hero," L'Humanité, 19 April 1999; Erich Feigl, A myth of terror, Salzburg, Zeitgeschichte, 1991, pp. 224-230; Gaïdz Minassian, op. , pp. 10; Ayan Ozer, "The Armenian-Nazi Collaboration," The Turkish Times, 15 July 1996.
[16] Mikael Varandian, History of the FRA, Paris, Imprimerie de Navarre, 1932, pp. 212-213, cited in S. Kapriel Papazian, op. , pp. 18.
[17] Gaïdz Minassian, op. cit., pp. 28-29, 33-34 and 106 - 114 Michael M. Gunter, op. cit., pp. 55 et seq.
[18] Michael M. Gunter, op. cit., pp. 68-69, see also Gaïdz Minassian, op. cit., pp. 44-45 and 82-86.
[19] http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/terror-case-study.htm
[20] A representative of Boris Yeltsin killed in the North Caucasus ", Le Monde, 3 August 1993; Gaïdz Minassian, Armenian War and Terrorism, op. , pp. 262.
[21] Le Monde, 29 October 1999.
[22] http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2009/01/2728-photos-nationalist-armenian.html
[23] Today's Zaman, 25 May 2007.
[24] Michael M. Gunter, op. cit., pp. 75-76.
[25] Nathalie Cetina, Terrorism: the history of globalization, Paris, L'Harmattan, 2001, pp. 267-268; Tarık Somer, "Armenian Terrorism and the Narcotic Traffic," in International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, op. cit., pp. 19-27.
[26] See in particular the composition of the CFC: http://www.ccaf.info/item.php?R=1&id=364
[27] Daniel Bermond, "L'affaire Bernard Lewis," History, October 1995.
2 comments:
Please people! it's very easy to claim from your comfortable chairs that Turks had massacred Armenians with the intention of removing them all from earth.
The Turks had ruled over tens of other nations during hundreds of years and surprisingly, none of them disappeared from earth, none of their languages neither. All are still around us.
See' Not like Russian or French occupations where native languages are nearly totally wiped off, just in 50 years!
Please raise your head and look around, for a second, think that you might have been affected by the "marketing" of Armenian media and power struggles between countries.
Please read books, go to Turkey and visit those Ottoman Archives, go to Armenia and remind them to read theirs, then read some more history from both sides to understand the evolution of events, with your own brain, not with some Diasporas.
(IP Address Logged)
what is happening to Mr. Lang is unfortunate but at least it has had one positive impact. revealing the truth about the Armenian lobby.
his speech hits the nail. what is at stake beyond the research and the legal definition of the events is freedom and speech and thought! for being truthfully and advocating freedom of speech, Mr. lang is being intimidated. the armenian lobby has shown its true colours...
pursuing war by legal means by acting as a thought police.
what happened at the beginning of the 20th century happened. it was a human tragedy but it is history. and in fact not french history. i don't have a "thought" on the subject and refuse to be imposed one by Armenian nationalists instrumentalising our democracy.
liberté. un point c'est tout.
(IP Address Logged)
Post a Comment
Please Update/Correct Any Of The
3700+ Posts by Leaving Your Comments Here
- - - YOUR OPINION Matters To Us - - -
We Promise To Publish Them Even If We May Not Share The Same View
Mind You,
You Would Not Be Allowed Such Freedom In Most Of The Other Sites At All.
You understand that the site content express the author's views, not necessarily those of the site. You also agree that you will not post any material which is false, hateful, threatening, invasive of a person’s privacy, or in violation of any law.
- Please READ the POST FIRST then enter YOUR comment in English by referring to the SPECIFIC POINTS in the post and DO preview your comment for proper grammar /spelling.
-Need to correct the one you have already sent?
please enter a -New Comment- We'll keep the latest version
- Spammers: Your comment will appear here only in your dreams
More . . :
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/05/Submit-Your-Article.html
All the best