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26 November 2008

2660) The Fallacious Armenian Genocide Speeches In The Australian Parliament


From: Ataman Atlas
To: J dot Hockey dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot ellison at aph dot gov dot au ; maxinemckewmp ; Malcolm dot Turnbull dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Bronwyn dot Bishop dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; S dot Crean dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Julia dot Gillard dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Bob dot Katter dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot coonan at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot sterle at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot faulkner at aph dot gov dot au; Turkish Embassy; Turkish Media; . .
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008


Dear Messers, Hockey, and Ellison,

I write to you as an Australian Citizen and a grandchild of a survivor of the Turkish Genocide, perpetrated by traitorous sections of the Armenian community and citizens of the former Ottoman Empire during the First World War.

I note both of you have made speeches (in relatively recent times) in relation to the outrageous, fallacious and highly inflammatory Armenian “Genocide” allegations. From the outset, I call both of you liars, dishonest, deceitful, cowards and men of ill - repute. I will make sure this letter and it’s contents are circulated far and wide over the internet and I would challenge you to sue me for defamation for what I am about to say.

You have misled the Australian Parliament and therefore the Australian people, in a cowardly manner, hiding behind parliamentary privilege, and in fact defaming dead men whom as we all know under law can not file suit nor seek a remedy against your outrageous lies.

I need not go through both your speeches and detail each and every lie you have told the Australian people through your position of trust and responsibility via the Australian Parliament. However, I will touch upon certain aspects of each speech, and attach copies of transcripts to this letter at the end.

Starting with Mr Hockey’s speech initially where by he stated (which is also a reference made by Mr Ellison and that other disgraceful cowardly liar Mr Bob Carr under NSW Parliamentary privilege),

“In 1939, Adolf Hitler addressed his battle commanders at Obersalzberg with these chilling words:

I put ready my Death’s Head Units the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of the Polish race or language. Only thus will we gain the living space that we need. Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?”


That entire quote is a lie and has been proven to be a lie for many many years now. In fact the person who established that as a lie and forgery, himself is an honest decent Armenian person by the name of Dr Robert John. Details of that fact are attached at the end of this letter. . . .


Mr Hockey goes on to state the following,

“….On the basis of the worldwide apathy to the plight of an entire generation of Armenians who were rounded up and systematically slaughtered, Hitler embarked on his own diabolical plan of extermination. Some 70 years after Hitler’s words, the Armenian community is still struggling to achieve recognition for their own genocide at the hands of the Ottoman military during World War I. ……..This is now recognised as the beginning of an official attempt by the Turkish government to exterminate its Armenian population.”

First and foremost, this one paragraph is beautifully choreographed to gain maximum damage against the Turkish Government and the Turkish people, in short it is an incitement to racial hatred. I ask Mr Hockey (who hiding behind parliamentary privilege accuses and then goes on to convict the Turkish Government and therefore it’s people of a heinous crime, the Crime of Genocide) just exactly where is the conviction against the Turkish Government or in fact against the Ottoman Government? (Which is more appropriate of course considering the Republic of Turkey was not in existence until 1923)

Albeit the crime of Genocide did not exist at that time and it came into being after World War II, where exactly are the convictions against the Ottoman Government for any offence akin to Crimes Against Humanity no matter what the wording of the indictment ?

You see Mr Hockey well knows and so did Mr Carr and I would assume by now that Senator Ellison would also know, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist after World War I and the British occupied its former capital Istanbul for approximately 3 years. During that time, with their Armenian assistants, searched far and wide all the Ottoman Archives, Government Departments and any place they thought might hold evidence of Crimes against the Armenians. The British had full and unfettered access to all Ottoman Government Departments and documents.

The British in fact caused the arrest “WITHOUT CHARGE” of approximately 144 Ottoman officials from the leadership with a view of having them put on trial for “Outrages Against the Armenians”. However, after searching far and wide, and asking for any evidence the French, Russians and Americans might have been holding, the British could not even reach the most basic level of proof prima facie. All persons were released after approximately two and half years in custody from the island of Malta, WITHOUT ANY CHARGE BEING PREFERRED AGAINST ANY OF THE OTTOMAN LEADERSHIP. Now all these men are dead and can not speak for themselves. People of ill repute, such as Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison and Mr Carr can safely defame them because, and I reiterate, as we all know “DEAD MEN” cannot sue. They cannot defend themselves against such outrageous criminal allegations without ever being afforded the Natural Justice any Civilised society would afford them, like the British did.

This is Historical FACT, commonly referred to as the Malta Tribunals, (although there were no hearings conducted, and I reiterate, NOT ONE CHARGE of Outrages Against the Armenians preferred against any Ottoman Official). This is the reason why consecutive British Governments (and dare I say in this regard Honourable) have never passed such a spurious, unjust and fallacious resolution as recognising something that never was, the alleged Armenian “Genocide”.

What certain dishonest, traitorous, deceitful, criminal SECTIONS (NOT ALL) of the Armenian community could not achieve (Their fantasy of a Greater Armenia from Sea to Sea) via acts of betrayal and war against their own Government. Then later acts of terrorism they are now trying to use the deaths of thousands of innocent Armenians and TURKS in a despicable political manner, using unscrupulous, narcissistic, sociopathic politicians, the likes of Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison, and Mr Carr.

Dare I also say Ms Maxine McKew who played the “Genocide” card to defeat the former Prime Minister Mr Howard. BUT FOR her underhanded deceitful and dishonest claims of the alleged “Armenian Genocide” she WOULD NOT have won her seat, and the numbers establish that FACT.

No matter what flaws Mr Howard may or may not have had he will go down in History as an Honourable politician and person who never pandered to the treacherous section of the Armenian Diaspora for a political win at ANY COST, unlike the grubby Ms Mckew.

There are many more FACTUAL ERRORS in Mr Hockey’s speech where by he has misled Parliament and therefore the Australian people which can be pointed out but I doubt any of you would be interested in that and I do not intend on re producing major works just to re – establish HISTORICAL FACT.

I will address one last issue, which Mr Hockey touched upon and that is section 301 of the Turkish Penal Code. The Republic of Turkey is a sovereign nation, which won it’s sovereignty after a long and hard war at great cost in Turkish lives. The laws of the Republic of Turkey are for the TURKS themselves to decide upon not dishonest, deceitful, narcissistic, sociopathic politicians from other nations such as Mr Hockey to dictate. All nations have various laws relating to defamation and although far from perfect that Section 301 is similar in terms of defamation laws found in the vast majority of nations throughout the world. In fact this is what the United Nations had to say about this issue;-

"(The) United Nations has not approved or endorsed a report labelling the Armenian experience as Genocide." Farhan Haq, U.N. spokesman, October 5th, 2000. On June 4-7, 2005, at a Florida Atlantic University genocide conference, Juan Mendez, Special Advisor on the Prevention of Genocide to the Secretary General of the United Nations, was criticized for calling the Armenians' genocide an "event." This article tells us that the Argentinian "responded that since the UN has not officially recognized the genocide, he was not allowed to call it that." As reader Conan put it: "The UN is the organ that has established the Genocide Convention. If even such an institution doesn’t recognize the Armenian genocide, Turkey has the right to punish the so called Armenian genocide as libel. That is the right of every nation."

I would ask Mr Hockey and others of his ilk that would sell their souls to the devil for personal gain to prove his allegations that, “……Around 1½ million Armenians were murdered during the Armenian genocide out of an estimated total Armenian population of just 2½ million people…. The intention of the Ottomans was the complete obliteration of not only the Armenian nation but any memory of the Armenian people as well……….The mere existence of Armenians in Turkey was officially denied…..But there is simply no other word for what happened to the Armenian people of Turkey. They were indeed the victims of an act designed to destroy an entire race…”

What is in fact “divisive and offensive” is the lies told by such dishonest politicians the likes of My Hockey and his ilk. “Australian people [do in fact, my addition to Mr Hockey’s words] deplore this sort of racism and barbarity” that Mr Hockey has perpetrated under the protection of Parliamentary privilege abusing his position of trust and responsibility given to him by the entire Australian Nation not just a certain Criminal section of the Armenian community. “This country [Australia] has [indeed] prospered though the immigration of people from countless nations, including Armenia” [AND TURKEY].

I would urge Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison, Mr Carr, Ms McKew and others of their ilk, to prove, that “It was the intentional attempted obliteration of an entire people” by the Ottoman Government. Otherwise, I call them dishonest and deceitful liars. Or in the alternative forget passing a resolution but actually take the Republic of Turkey to an International Tribunal to determine this matter ONCE and FOR ALL. Why is there no Government in the world brave enough to take the Republic of Turkey to an International Tribunal over this issue. The Republic of Turkey has formally stated that it would accept any such attempt with favour and waive the rights of standing, whereby they would stand in the steed of the former Ottoman Government as the Successor State and further still waive the right of retrospectivity in relation to the offence of “Genocide”.

If dishonest Politicians such as Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison, Mr Carr and Ms McKew are genuinely interested in the fate of some thousands of innocent Armenian and TURKISH victims why not pursue a proper and fair hearing on the matter and seek restitution for what few survivors of this alleged “genocide” and their families that are left ?

You see the reason behind that is quite clear the British established it some 80 odd years ago, because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of any sort of pre planned, predetermined, executed plan by the central Ottoman Government to murder, exterminate, or wipe out, the entire or even a section of it’s former Armenian citizens.

I would put the challenge to all those dishonest politicians to either prove their fallacious allegations or APOLOGISE to the Australian Nation for misleading them, and further still, apologise to the Republic of Turkey and all the Turkish people around the world, some of whom (approximately 150,000 odd) living right here in Australia.

There is much more that I could say in relation to this matter. However as per usual, I much like the dead men of the Ottoman leadership have no right of reply. Further still, there is NOT ONE HONEST politician in the whole of Australia that will stand up and put forward the WHOLE body of evidence in relation to this issue. Any evidence that the Turkish side would like to put forward will be stifled, ignored, and brushed aside; I would inquire as to the reason or motivation for this?

Could it stem all the way back to Pope Urban and his call for the first Crusades against the Seljuk Turks? When Pope Urban in a more honest and open manner stated,

“Urban II's sermon proved the most effective single speech in European history, as he summoned the attending nobility and the people to wrestle the Holy Land from the hands of the Seljuk Turks:

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it. [1]

The chronicler Robert the Monk, quotes Urban II as saying that

[...] this land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth; and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators. Hence it is that you murder one another, that you wage war, and that frequently you perish by mutual wounds. Let therefore hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves. [...] God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Within Fulcher of Chartres account of pope Urban’s speech, there was a promise of remission of sins for who ever took part in the crusade.

All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide.[3]

1. Fulcher of Chartres' account of Urban's speech, Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, Five versions of the Speech (available as part of the Internet Medieval Sourcebook).

2. Robert the Monk's account of Urban's speech, Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, Five versions of the Speech (available as part of the Internet Medieval Sourcebook).

3. Fulcher of Chartres account of Urban's speech, Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, Five versions of the Speech (available as part of the Internet Medieval Sourcebook).

At least Pope Urban did not hide his innate hatred of the Turks like the dishonest Politicians Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison, Mr Carr, and Ms McKew he was honourable enough to let everyone know how he felt.

What Mr Hockey and his rag tag band of alleged “Genocide” cronies are doing is in fact an underhanded way of continuing the Crusades by stealth, it is little wonder that Turks and in fact most Muslims feel marginalised and disenfranchised here in Australia.

For far too long the innate politeness and courtesy of the Turkish race has stopped them from putting forward their case in strong terms. Even to this very day, the ineffective, apathetic Turkish Government does very little if at all anything to set right this outrageous fallacious allegation of the “Armenian Genocide”. Other than some Turkish Politicians which are no better then their Australian or US counterparts beat their chests, make a few rhetorical statements in the Turkish Parliament that achieve nothing.

Successive Turkish Governments have been the laughing stock of both Europe and it’s own people. Yet again, successive Turkish Governments have not been able to look after it’s own people in Turkey let alone orchestrate some grand conspiracy to hide and deny historical facts. The Turkish Government has a lot to learn from Israel, in particular the former valiant and courageous Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir and her orders to commence Operation “Wrath of God.” I commend and admire her courage and dedication to her own people, if successive Turkish Governments had taken any note or any sort of example from her Government many more innocent Turkish lives could have been saved.

Therefore, regardless of what the likes of Mr Hockey may try to allude to it is not the Turkish Government that denies this heinous allegation, which would be akin to me calling Mr Hockey a paedophile without the requisite evidence; it is the Turkish people and race.

We will no longer stand by whilst our collective race is accused and convicted of such a heinous crime in political forums without us ever having the opportunity to reply. Perhaps it is time that the Turks throughout the world take a page out of the Armenian terrorists’ handbook.

Of course I talk about the Murders of Mr Sarik Arayak and Mr Engin Sever the Consul General and his Security Attaché in Sydney (December 1980) and the bombing of the Turkish Consulate in Melbourne (Monday, 24 November, 1986). Clearly, those events have drawn the attention of politicians, or was it the case that they were only Muslim Turks so it doesn’t really matter. Much like the hundreds and thousands if not millions of Turks murdered by the Armenians during the material times in the Eastern part of Turkey. NOT ONCE are those innocent victims of Armenian atrocities ever mentioned by any WESTERN POLITICIAN. Clearly, two wrongs don’t make a right but two wrongs don’t make a “genocide” either.

If the Turks were to carry out acts of terrorism in this nation it would be expected and immediately labelled Muslim Terrorists quite conveniently by the biased western media before the smoke had disappeared from the rubble. Much innocent blood has been spilt and will continue to spill over this issue, whilst people in positions of power and trust like Mr Hockey continue to lie and perpetrate pure and utter propaganda.

Dishonest politicians like Mr Hockey, Mr Ellison, Mr Carr, and Ms McKew would be better off concentrating on the woes of the Australian people first and foremost before meddling in conflicts dating back decades if not centuries, that occurred in places some thousands of kilometres away and which they know very little, if at all anything about.

If Australian politicians want to talk about genocide, they should first recognise the fact that WHITE AUSTRALIA committed genocide on the Indigenous people of Australia first and foremost. In fact, continuing all the way up and including the 1970’s well after the offence of Genocide came into International Law. A simple sorry to the “Stolen Generation” is far from adequate. If the facts of what WHITE AUSTRALIA did to the indigenous population were to be applied to the elements of the offence for genocide in my very humble opinion it could well be established unlike the fallacious Armenian “Genocide” allegations. The successive Australian Governments did in fact have the intention to destroy the Aboriginal culture and society. I ask you all when were Aboriginal people recognised as human beings here in Australia and allowed to vote on a National level? (The answer of course is the last two states to give Aboriginals the basic human right to vote was Western Australia in 1962 and Queensland in 1965).

Compare the positions Armenians held within the Ottoman Government and Military and compare how WHITE AUSTRALIA has and continues to treat it’s Aboriginal population? The established fact that Western Australia jails far more Black people than what the Apartheid regime in South Africa ever did during it’s term. The fact that Aboriginal people could go and fight and die in World Wars I and II for King and Country yet they weren’t even recognised as citizens and could not vote ?

These are FACTS, which white Australian politicians conveniently forget to mention. I reiterate we will no longer sit back and be spectators to this “Genocide” circus our case will be heard, and the likes of Mr Hockey and his cronies will go down in historical infamy.

I will end my letter by quoting from their Honours of the Victorian Supreme Court of Criminal Appeal in R v Demirian [1989] VR 97 at 123-124;

In a joint judgment, McGarvie and O'Bryan JJ said:

"The type of activity engaged in by the applicant and others is rare in this country but terrorist acts are commonplace in the country from whence the applicant emigrated to Australia. Unless courts in this country are vigilant in imposing condign sentences for such conduct evil-minded persons might seek to emulate this conduct. The conduct of the applicant in conspiring with others to endanger life and cause serious injury to property by detonating an explosive substance beneath the Consulate brought shame to this country when the bomb exploded. The Turkish nation is a friendly power and members of the Turkish community now assimilated into Australian society were affronted by this evil deed. The heinousness of the crime is accentuated by the fact that the applicant abused the sanctuary this country offered him.

When a crime of such notoriety and heinousness is committed in the name of a political cause this Court is not required to fix a minimum term. The political nature of the offence and its seriousness render the fixing of such a term inappropriate. A sentence imposed in these circumstances should be exceptional to mark the seriousness with which the crime is viewed and therefore no minimum term should be fixed." (1988 33 A Crim R at p 474)

58 Tadgell J agreed, in relation to that aspect of the appeal (at p 481).

I borrow from their Honours comments in suggesting after the speeches made by Mr Bob Carr, Ms Maxine Mckew, Mr Hockey and Mr Ellison, it has “brought shame to this country” on each and every occasion. Especially when these speeches are made “in the name of a political cause” where criminal, allegations are made without any proof and without the Turkish case ever being heard, or the Turkish people ever being afforded any natural justice whatsoever.

Ataman Atlas
Australian Citizen
Grandchild of a Survivor of the Turkish Genocide



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Editor's Note:
Published location of this letter has also been separately forwarded to:
J dot Hockey dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot ellison at aph dot gov dot au ; maxinemckewmp ; Malcolm dot Turnbull dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Bronwyn dot Bishop dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; S dot Crean dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Julia dot Gillard dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; Bob dot Katter dot MP at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot coonan at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot sterle at aph dot gov dot au ; senator dot faulkner at aph dot gov dot au


Further References:
Video Statement By Prof. Bernard Lewis Of Princeton University : No Armenian Genocide


3 comments:

A Turkish Accountant From Sydney said...

Armenia: 1 Turkey: 0

Well Done To Armenians who produced a Lawyer and a Member of Australian Parliament, Joe has also served as a Minister 4 times.

Joe Hockey (Hokeidonian) is an Australian Member of Parliament with an Armenian descent.

This should tell a lot about the consequences of high number of Turks in Turkish Coffee Houses in Auburn, Redfern, Eskinville, and the other high number of Turkish dole bludgers in Sydney or Australia

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Perth, WA, Australia said...

Majority of Australian Public do have more faith in used car salesman than politicians. So do I.

Hockey and Ellison all have hidden agendas, means personal benefits than the public or the nation in general.

You remember what Ex US President Harry Truman says:
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"Piano Playing To Be Much More Honorable Than Current Politicians"
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'It doesn't matter how big a ranch ya' own, or how many cows ya' brand, the size of your funeral is still gonna depend on the weather.' - Harry Truman.

When President Truman retired from office in 1952, his income was substantially a U.S. Army pension reported to have been $13,507.72 a year.

Congress, noting that he was paying for his stamps and personally licking them, granted him an 'allowance' and, later, a retroactive pension of $25,000 per year.

When offered corporate positions at large salaries, he declined, stating, 'You don't want me. You want the office of the President, and that doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the American people and it's not for sale.'

Even later, on May 6, 1971, when Congress was preparing to award him the Medal of Honor on his 87th birthday, he refused to accept it, writing, 'I don't consider that I have done anything which should be the reason for any award, Congressional or otherwise.'

We now see past presidents, have found a new level of success in cashing in on the presidency, resulting in untold wealth. Today, many in Congress also have found a way to become quite wealthy while enjoying the fruits of their offices. Political offices are now for sale.

I think good old Harry Truman was correct when he observed, 'My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference. I, for one, believe the piano player job to be much more honorable than current politicians.'

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Mehmet Cetin said...

Is it good to support something by blackmailing and threatening oppositions?
What do you think about this piece;

"The European Parliament's rapporteur on Turkey, Ria Oomen-Ruijten, has said Armenian lobbyists have threatened to destroy her career because she has refused to refer to the World War I-era killings of Anatolian Armenians by the Ottoman Empire as "genocide."

The source: http://www.todayszaman.com

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