From the very start the main object of the Armenian Revolutionary Federations, was to become rich for themselves, by promising almost impossible dreams, and exercising the liberty to collect ransom or “potorig” for the sacred cause, be it buying arms, training assassins or keeping the “milk pot warm”.
In 1914, when the Dashnaks were asked by the CUP group to fulfill their promise (of 1907) to overthrow the Sultan and get “autonomy in return”, (provided they fight for the Ottomans in the Turkish Army and revolt in the Caucasus under Russian occupation,) they had turned down the offer saying that “they can speak for themselves, but make no promise for the Armenians in Russia”! We all know the sad episode that followed.
Now in 2009, the (puppet) Armenian Government signed a protocol with Turkey, to reduce the economic pressure, imposed by blockade of borders after the Karabagh land grabbing and demands of both land and indemnity from Turkey. But in doing so, the Armenian Government (acting for the benefit of the impoverished people of their country), did not take the consent of the diaspora’s pipe blowers, the reputed ANCA federation (which just sent an insulting letter to president Obama) and also the European diaspora’s European Armenian Federation.
I attach following documents, and leave the interpretation to you, as regards what will be the out come! . .
Annex 1: Asbarez (www.asbarez.com/2009/09/02/armenian-caucus-co-chairs-pledge-continued-support-for-karabakh-independence/ ) and the comments of an American reader.
Annex 2: Cincinnati (news.cincinnati.com/article/20090902/NEWS0108/909030313/State+to+hear+Schmidt++blood+money++case) attacks on Jean Schmidt by diaspora
Annex 3: ANCA ‘s update 2.09.09 (Read the Jerusalem Post article of Marilyn Henry first – apparently she knows nothing on Morgenthaus or the Armeno-Nazi collaboration during WWII). Read the reaction of Adam Schiff or Frank Pallone, still speaking of 1.5 million deaths. These congressmen are so uninformed that they never heard of General Harbord and his report or joint US Senate-Congress Resolution of 22.04.1922 or ever heard of the Settlement of Payment Agreement between USA and Turkey back in 1937. These pipe blowers stand as an excellent example of their absolute ignorance and cemented prejudice!.
Annex 4: Press Release of European Armenian Fed., 3.09.09 objecting the protocol and efforts of settlement or reconciliation.
Annex 5: “Times” 2.09.09 well wishing (!) Article by Bronwen Maddox (who knows very little and wrong)
- Any firm settlement between Turkey and Armenia, will make the existence of these organizations unnecessary!
- If they cannot exist because they have no “revenge tales – fabrications” to sell, they all go out of business and the merry-go-round carousel of genocide advertising stops turning!
- So, “the Genocide wheel must keep turning”… The sufferings of the Armenian people (like in the past) is no serious concern of the enriched-comfortable diaspora earning money by selling these tales!
Am I saying anything new or different? No, the “Reno Evening Gazette” correspondent wrote it much better and clearer than me back in 1915. If you do not believe, just read the Attachment to the Reno Evening Gazette post.
P.S.: Turkish Proverb: “He Who Speaks TRUTH, Is Kicked Out From Nine Villages”!
Sukru S. Aya
Shame on our U.S Congressmen!
http://www.asbarez.com/2009/09/02/armenian-caucus-co-chairs-pledge-continued-support-for-karabakh-independence/ Shame on American Congressmen such as Frank Pallone and others who have the audacity to celebrate 'Nogorno Karabagh's Independance', where 18 years ago, Armenian armies attacked the village of Khojali and brutally killed unarmed 600 elderly men, women and children! Shame on Pallone for supporting AND celebrating the displacement of nearly 1 million Azerbeijanis whom are living in their own homeland as refugees, due to the ILLEGAL occupation of Azerbeijan lands by Armenia!! This is outrageous! What is more disturbing is the fact that Turkish-Americans can stand by and not be vocal against the arrogance and biasness of American Senators, Representatives who blindly support any issue , including MURDER of Turkic people as long as their pockets are being filled by ANCA! This needs to be addressed right square in the face now! Please send article to all you know.
Representative Jean Schmidt being slandered for 'genocide denial'
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090902/NEWS0108/909030313/State+to+hear+Schmidt++blood+money++case Turkish-American communities must rise up and be vocal in supporting people who dare to stand up for truth, and whom are constantly being accused of bribery and 'working for the Turkish Government' when exercising their right for freedom of speech and the choice to believe in what they want to believe!
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Subject :Dangers of the Proposed Armenia-Turkey Protocols
September 2, 2009
Dangers of the Proposed Protocols on Armenian-Turkey Dialogue | Watch |
Take Action: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"
1) ANCA Warns Capitol Hill About Dangers of Turkey-Armenia "Protocols"
2) Schiff Calls on Turkey to Recognize Genocide
3) In the News: "Denying the 'other' Holocaust",
Jerusalem Post - 8/29/2009
ANCA Warns Capitol Hill About Dangers of Turkey-Armenia "Protocols"
-- Alerts Legislators about Pressure on Yerevan to Accept Terms that Threaten Armenia’s Security
WASHINGTON, DC – The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) today shared with Members of Congress the reservations of the Armenian American community regarding a recent set of secretly-negotiated, Swiss-brokered, protocols between Turkey and Armenia regarding the normalization of their bilateral relations.
In a September 1, 2009 memo to Senate and House offices, ANCA Executive Director Aram Hamparian reviewed these concerns, alerted these offices to the undue pressure applied to Armenia to accept dangerous concessions, and informed legislators on both sides of Capitol Hill about Turkey’s rapid backtracking from even the minor commitments it had undertaken in these agreements.
In the note, Hamparian stressed that, “Among [the ANCA’s] primary concerns is that Armenia, blockaded by Turkey and under intense economic and diplomatic pressure, was forced into accepting terms that threaten her interests, rights, safety, and future – very notably in the form of a proposed ‘historical commission.’” He added that, “This provision, a tactic long pursued by Ankara to cast doubt on the historical record of the Armenian Genocide, is intended to serve Turkey’s drive to roll back the growing tide of international recognition of this crime against humanity. There can be no enduring relationship between Armenia and Turkey that is not built upon the foundation of Turkey’s acceptance of a true and just resolution of this crime.” Read More. . .
Take Action: Protest U.S. Pressure on Armenia to Accept "Historical Commission"
Schiff Calls on Turkey to Recognize Genocide
WASHINGTON— Reacting to the Monday’s announcement of protocols for the establishment and development of relations between Armenia and Turkey, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said true reconciliation will occur when Turkey recognizes the Genocide.
“While I welcome what may be an important step in the rapprochement between Armenia and Turkey and hope that the upcoming talks result in a swift opening of full diplomatic and commercial relations between Ankara and Yerevan, as well as a reopening of the border, I have serious concerns about some provisions of the protocols accompanying the announcement,” said Schiff on Tuesday.
“In particular, I was deeply disappointed to see that the protocols call for the creation of an historical commission to review the events of 1915-23. This is a thoroughly discredited idea; there is no dispute among scholars that the Armenian people were the subject of genocide during the waning days of the Ottoman Empire and an historical commission is another effort to obfuscate the truth,” added Schiff.
“Turkey cannot be allowed to re-write this tragic part of its history as a price for normal relations with Armenia. To do so means acquiescence in a charade that demeans the memory of so many victims,” explained the Congressman.
“True reconciliation between the Armenian and Turkish peoples will occur when Turkey acknowledges the genocide that was committed by the Ottoman Empire against Armenians from 1915 – 1923. The Armenian Genocide, the first genocide of the 20th Century, resulted in the deaths of 1.5 million Armenian men, women and children and the sorrow that the Armenian people carry in their hearts cannot be healed by diplomatic relations alone,” reaffirmed Schiff.
Denying the 'other' Holocaust
August 29, 2009 | Marilyn Henry
THE JERUSALEM POST
Ten years ago, I was in Armenia for Genocide Memorial Day. Armenians from their "galut" around the world had come to Yerevan to participate with local citizens in the solemn commemoration. I was with a group that came from the US, including Henry Morgenthau III. He was there because the government intended to honor his grandfather, the first Henry, who as the US ambassador to Constantinople in 1915 had raised the alarm about the Armenian genocide.
The Morgenthaus and I were Jews among the Armenians. After a week together, however, it was hard to remember that the Armenians weren't Jews. We have much in common: lost families, lost homes, lost countries, lost languages, lives as minorities, a diaspora, fears of assimilation, factions in religious practice - and genocide, as well as foes who would deny that the genocide ever happened.
BUT THIS also is where Jews and Armenians part. No civilized society will tolerate Holocaust denial. Nearly a century later, however, denial of the Armenian genocide persists, and it pops up in the most unexpected places.
Most recently it was in the federal appeals court in California. In a ruling on August 20, two members of a three-judge appellate panel did not quite deny the Armenian genocide; it was more like "genocide squelching." At issue was one of a handful of California laws that collectively extended the statutes of limitations so that Nazi victims, including slave laborers, as well as victims of the Armenian genocide, would have additional time to file various claims for redress from human rights abuses and other losses.
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Armenian / Turkish protocols: Turkey's preconditions violate the principles of International Law
EUROPEAN ARMENIAN FEDERATION For Justice & Democracy
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ARMENIAN /TURKISH PROTOCOLS: TURKEY’S PRECONDITIONS VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW
On Monday, 31st August, Armenia and Turkey, under the aegis of the Swiss diplomacy, announced that they agreed to start internal political consultations in order to sign and swiftly ratify two protocols aiming at normalising their relations.
According to the joint press release, the two parties claim that they will complete the consultations on the “protocol on the establishment of diplomatic relations” and on the “protocol on the development of bilateral relations” in six weeks, further to which they pretend to quickly reach a ratification “in line with their constitutional and legal procedures”. These documents were made public
A close examination of the protocols (attached herein) clearly reveals that the purview of these documents – historically unprecedented between the two neighbouring states – goes far beyond the mere “normalisation” and border-opening issues being discussed between Armenia and Turkey over many years. These protocols embrace, in a fundamental way, the full scope of unresolved issues between Turkey and the Armenian people worldwide, including those involving the legitimate rights of the European Armenian communities. Through the protocols, and mobilizing immense resources of international pressure, Turkey has indeed imposed its preconditions, which Armenia had categorically rejected so far.
The European Armenian Federation considers these protocols a dangerous retreat from Armenia’s time-honoured policy of welcoming normalisation of relations with Turkey, but without any pre-conditions. The Turkish government’s pre-conditions violate the core principles of international law as they involve acceptance by Armenia of the terms and conditions of old and illegitimate treaties long pre-dating the existence of independent Armenia.
They involve the abandonment by Armenia of all efforts toward the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide. They also involve complete capitulation by Armenia to Azerbaijan’s terms in the Karabagh negotiations, as re-iterated by Minister Davutoglu on the very day, i.e. September 1st, of the announcement of the protocols. Furthermore, the tri-lateral announcement fails to recognize the fact that the people of Nagorno Karabagh and the communities of the Armenian Diaspora – therefore the European Armenians – are legitimate parties to any “political consultations” involving these issues.
“Turkey should not be permitted to abuse these bilateral negotiations “packaging away” its historic national liabilities in border-opening agreements with Armenia, its economically vulnerable neighbour. The international community must reject Turkey’s most recent practice of imposing its policy of denial of the Armenian genocide through such biased bilateral deals. And the Swiss government should be more vigilant in its assessment of the moral implications of its mediation initiative given Turkey’s questionable record in all these issues,” stated Hilda Tchoboian the chairperson of the European Armenian Federation.
« For decades, the European Armenian communities fought all forms of genocide denial, advocated for the right to self-determination of the people of Nagorno Karabagh, and defended the heritage of the Armenian people in all of its aspects, having by their side the unwavering support of the European society to their Just Cause. Today, we reaffirm our commitment to defend the legitimate rights of our People with the same determination,” concluded Hilda Tchoboian.
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From The Times September 2, 2009
Turkey and Armenia sidestep 94-year-old massacre for tentative peace
Bronwen Maddox, Chief Foreign Commentator
It’s taken only 94 years to make peace. It might have taken much longer. The talks between Turkey and Armenia about whether they can manage something like normal relations are probably more symbol than substance. But they represent a gesture that might easily not have been made, particularly by Turkey. They are an unexpected step towards calm from the tense borderlands between Europe and Central Asia.
They will have an effect in the US, too, where the clash between Armenia and Turkey has played to a nationwide, passionate audience, from Congress to the singer Cher (who is Armenian). In Europe it might seem like a far-off dispute; in the US it is intimate, eating up congressional debates and national airtime.
Even in the European Union it will have an impact greater than this week’s tentative moves suggest. It will ease Turkey’s relations with the EU after several years of friction.
Yet the steps, so far, are small. On Monday the two said that they would sign a pact within weeks to talk about resuming ties, although that hurdle would need approval by both parliaments. If they get that far, it would end nearly a century of animosity that stems from the killing of as many as 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in 1915, during the First World War. Armenia calls it genocide and wants an admission and an apology. Turkey maintains that many were killed on each side. There have not been diplomatic ties, other than when Armenia was part of the Soviet Union. The border was closed during the 1988-94 conflict over the Azerbaijani region of Nagorno-Karabakh.
Now the border might open, possibly by the new year, officials on each side suggest, although the greater impetus for a deal clearly comes from Armenia. It is landlocked, and has an urgent need for trade. As its President, Serzh Sargsyan, said yesterday: “Armenia initiated the possibility of normalising relations” — adding, grandly but justifiably, that he had done so “with dignity as it is appropriate to the civilised world of the 21st century”.
The agreement, brokered by Swiss officials and taking shape since April, baldly leaves aside history, genocide or the frozen Nagorno-Karabakh dispute (although Turkey insists progress on this front needs to happen in parallel). This is what you might call constructive evasion. We should hope that they manage at least to open the border. Allowing everyday contact would be an antidote to the understandable difficulty in forgetting who slaughtered whom a century ago.
It would also take the sting out of the repeated eruptions in American politics over the issue, powered by the US’s large Armenian community. Two years ago, President Bush clashed with a Democrat-led House of Representatives committee that denounced the 1915 deaths as genocide, even though a phalanx of former secretaries of state warned about the impact on relations with Turkey, a crucial ally. If Armenia and Turkey can be talked down from the embrace of this old conflict, it is even possible that the US Congress eventually can, too.
Selcuk Taral wrote:
There are quite a number of historians from both US and Europe who decidedly oppose calling events of 1915 a "genocide" which is a legal term that was introduced after WW-II in an attempt to define the Holocaust..
In fact, the well-known historian prof. Bernard Lewis is one of them; he had to pay one franc to a French court for his "refusal" in 1995. Another one is the late Prof. Stanford Shaw whose house was bombed in California in 1977 for his refusal.
On the other hand, many parliments around the world, Swiss, French, Canada, Poland, to name a few have passed resolutions condemning Turkey for "genocide". But the Swedish refused passing a similar resolution a few years ago. In any case, this is not an issue that parliments or world "public opion" should cast a verdict on simply because it is a legal one.
The European Court of Human Rights rejected an appeal to that effect (Order of the Court (Fourth Chamber) of 29 October 2004 in Case C-18/04 P: Grégoire Krikorian and Others v European Parliament, Council of the European Union, Commission of the European Communities) September 2, 2009 3:01 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline