519) Armenian and Western Post War Armenian Statistics

TABLE OF CONTENTS:



1) 1921 Armenian Table, from the Patriarch
2) Relevant references to above from "The Armenian File"
3) World Armenian count, Nov. 1922
4) British population report, Nov. 1919
5) U.S. Consul Jackson on the number of the "Deported"


644,900 Ottoman-Armenians in 1921

"In 1921, the Istanbul Patriarch, in a statistic he gave to the British, showed the number of Armenians living within the Ottoman borders before the Sevres Agreement as 625,000, including those who returned after they had emigrated."

The above is what Kamuran Gurun had written in "The Armenian File," and a little more will be featured underneath the section below.

Gurun did not take into account the 20,000 "hidden" Armenians indicated at the end of this report, bringing the total to 644,900.


A copy of the original document may be seen here:



What is below is a transcription, but the information may not always be accurate. The quality of the copy was not always clearly legible. The reader can compare with the above link.

And Now... the Armenian Patriarch Presents:


THE NUMBER OF ARMENIANS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TURKISH EMPIRE

There are now approximately 600,000 Armenians in the provinces which formed part of the old Ottoman Empire before the Treaty of Sevres

HOW ARE THEY DISTRIBUTED

The following statistics show the number of Armenians in each Sandjak of the Empire. In Villayets where the Armenian population was small, the number of Armenians living in the whole Villayet is given.

1- Constantinople 150,000
2- Villayet of Andrinople 6,000
3- Nicomedia (Independent Sandjak) 20,000
4- Khudavendighiar
a. Sandjak of Broussa 11,000
b. Sandjak of Biledjik 4,500
5- Kalai Sultanee (Independent Sandjak) 900
6- Karassi? * * 5,800
7- Affion Karahissar * *
8- Kutahia * * 7,000
9- Villayet of Aidin? (Smyrna) 10,000
10- Villayet of Kastamoni
11- Bolou? (Independent Sandjak) 8,000
12- Angora
a. Angora
b. Kirashehir 2,500
c. Chorum
d. Yozgat 3,000
13- Ceasarea? (Independent Sandjak) 4,000
14- Villayet of Konia 10,000
15- Sivas
a. Sandjak of Sivas 12,000
b. * * Tokat? 1,800
c. * * Athasia? 2,000
d. * * Shabir Karahissar 1,000
16- Trebizond
a- Trebizond.

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b-Lazistan 10,000
c-Gumush Hane
17- Djanik 5,000
18- Villayet of Erzeroum (Hizeroum, Gerdjanis Kodomohai??) 1,500
19- Villayet of Van (only in the city) 600?
20- * * Bitlis Nobody
21- * * Diarbekir 3,000
22- Mamouret ul Aziz
a. Harpout 30,000
b. Malatia 2,000
c. Dersim 3,000
23- Villayet of Adana 150,000
24- Aleppo
a. Aleppo 5,000
b. Aintab 52,000
25- Ourfa (Independent Villayet) 9,000
26- Marash (Independent Villayet) 10,000
27- Jerusalem 2,000
28- Villayet of Damascus 400
29- Villayet of Beirut 1,000
30- Villayet of Bagdad 1,000
31- Villayet of Basra 400
32- Villayet of Moussoul 800
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546,100
15,000
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561,100

In addition to this, there are still Armenian orphans ad (sic?) young girls in Moslem houses, who have not yet been liberated. It is known that in the Arabian desert a large number of Armenian orphans is still held in bondage by Arab tribes.

Orphans and young girls in the district of Deir el Zor

a- Near the Zibar?, Egedar? and Vragora tribes 500
b- Near the Djibour? tribe 600
c- Near the Shammar tribe 700
d- Near the Amnese? tribe 2,000

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In Ras-ul-Ain near the Tchetchen tribes 2,000

In Constantinople and its surroundings 6,000

Nicourdia?
Broussa
Balikessir? 2,000
Karahissar
Bolou 1,500
Eskishehir
Konia 3,000

Kastamoni 500

Trebizond 9,000

Sivas 3,500

Caesarea 3,500

Erzeroum 3,000

Diarberkir 25,000

Mardin

Harpout 3,000
Bitlis 5,000
Van
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Total number 624,900

But however the total given above does not represent the entire number. Many Armenians had adopted Islam, to get rid of the unspeakable crime and of the persecution organized by the Ittihad, and many others, who had been deported, lived in different districts in disguise.

Rev. Varian Amirhanian, who managed to remain in Harpout during the whole period of the war, informed us that a great number of strangers who were known to the Turks or were disguised in Turkish dress during the war, revealed themselves to be Armenians after the armistice. Morevoer, it is believed that many Armenians still hide themselves in some safe shelter perhaps on the mountains and do not dare to come out for fear of being subject to persecution even now.

It would not be safe to estimate the number of the people but in all probability there are as many as 20,000 of them.


The March 24, 1921 letter above was from U.S. Acting High Commissioner Allen Dulles to the U.S. State Department, commenting on the statistics provided by the Armenian Patriarch. Note the degree of trust the Western powers have by this time, regarding information provided by the Armenians: "In view of the source of the information the Department will understand that the statistics make as favorable a case for the Armenians as possible." Hmmm. Could that mean the 644,900 figure may be an understatement? The fewer the Armenians remaining in what was left of the Ottoman Empire, after all, the greater the case that could be made for "genocide."

Armenian Propaganda enjoys telling us, why are there no Armenians left in eastern Anatolia, implying they all must have been murdered. Now the reader can see the extent of this lie. There were many Armenians remaining (never relocated in the first place), and many who returned. Can anyone imagine Jews returning to Germany in droves after WWII, no matter how safe they thought they would be, under Allied occupation? These numbers in themselves prove the Armenians thought there could have been no systematic plan to exterminate them.

The reason why these remaining Armenians eventually left is because many chose to leave; the Christian organizations and nations opened their doors, and there were greener pastures sought elsewhere. (As today, few decided to settle in the new nation of Armenia.) Secondly, 300,000 Ottoman-Armenians eventually found their way to the Cilicia region, thinking they could make a land-grab under French jurisdiction. Since they practiced mass murder to clear the Muslims out, as is the usual practice of Orthodox "Death and Exile," once the French couldn't afford to stay, so felt many of these Armenians.


Referring to the Above, from "The Armenian File":


In 1921, the Istanbul Patriarch, in a statistic he gave to the British, showed the number of Armenians living within the Ottoman borders before the Sevres Agreement as 625,000, including those who returned after they had emigrated.

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It had been decided that the Armenians who had been made to emigrate might return to their previous places of residence, and that their possessions should be returned to them. This decision was immediately implemented.

The Armenian Patriarch gave the following information about this subject:

The Armenians of Istanbul, and the Armenians in the sanjak of Kutahya and the province of Aydin had not been required to emigrate. The Armenians who at the present time are in the sanjak of Izmit and in Bursa, Kastamonu, Ankara, and Konya, are those who had emigrated from these areas, and who have returned.

There are many Armenians in the sanjak of Kaiseri, and in Sivas, Kharput, Diyarbekir, and especially in Cilicia and in Istanbul, who have returned, but who are unable to go to their villages. The rest of the Armenians of Erzurum and Bitlis are in Cilicia. (116)

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Addressing the orphans and "young girls in Moslem houses, who have not yet been liberated," from the above report:

The children who had been adopted and the women who had converted were being identified and gathered by a commission. We can make the following observations concerning this issue.

In 1922 in the League of Nations it was claimed that hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Greek children and women were still hidden in the 'harems' in Turkey. We quote the following passage from a brochure published by the Ministry of the Interior:

After the Armistice the Ottoman Government spent more than 1,150,000 liras, and employed hundreds of officials to return the Greeks and Armenians to their previous areas of residence from the regions they had been transferred to. The procedures involving the transfer of these people to their homelands, and returning to them their movable and immovable properties, have been carried out through joint delegations formed by British officers appointed by the British High Commission, Ottoman officials, and one member of each of the interested nations. These delegations, whose number exceeded 62, formed by British and Ottoman officials, which were sent to all parts of the country, acted with the utmost attention and care. Even women who had married Muslim men of their own accord were summoned one by one, and were asked again if they had consented, and those who declared that they were pleased were left to their wishes. In the `harems' or orphanages of Istanbul there were not hundreds of thousands of Armenian or Greek children and women, there are not even two children who remained. While there are no remaining Armenian children, some Muslim children, asserted to be Armenian, are still in Armenian orphanages, even though their mothers and fathers are known to be alive.

Then, how is it possible that thousands of Armenian children, as it is claimed, are still in the presence of Turks? How can the League of Nations, which does not have the legal character of an executive power, and does not have an organization or the means to investigate the actual situation in depth, conceive of the existence of children and women whom the police force, the joint delegation, and the high officials of the Entente Powers in Istanbul were unable to find?

For those who are somewhat aware of the actual situation, the matter is quite simple. Because, if an American historian, who has been in Turkey for more than thirty years, and who is at present a member of the Executive Committee of a Benevolent Society in Istanbul, can try to find (only a week ago) a slave market in Istanbul where girls and women are sold for money, then the report and speech reminding one of the Arabian Night Stories, made by Mademoiselle Vakaresko of Rumania, who does not know Turkey, who constantly looks at Turkey from the perspective of the Armenians and the Greeks, and who is influenced by their exaggeration of violence, must not be considered strange.

How can it be explained that this issue which has escaped the attention and the investigation of the officials, the official and non-official organizations of the Great Entente Powers in Istanbul, was able to be detected only by Mademoiselle Vakaresko who resides in Switzerland. (117)

Halide Edip makes an interesting observation about the children in the orphanages.

...Taking the Armenian children from the Turkish orphanages was becoming a tragic sight. . . . A committee was founded, presided over by Colonel Heathcote Smythe, and it was attempting to find the Armenian children and separate them from the Turkish children. They had rented a house in Shishli (a quarter of Istanbul). The majority of the central committee which was to separate the children were Armenians. Nezihe Hanim, General Secretary of the womens' branch of the Red Crescent, had been invited to represent the Turks. . . . When children were brought from the orphanages in Anatolia, to Istanbul, they were sent to the Armenian church in Kumkapu, and there they were claimed to be Armenian. Some children tried to escape, but were caught and brought back.

It was a day when I had gone to visit Nezihe Hanim. Two frightened children came into the room, one was limping and the other had been wounded in the head . . . they had come from an orphanage and had been brought to a church. They had strongly resisted being considered as Armenians, as the Armenians had killed their parents. They had been severely beaten, but had succeeded in escaping. They were crying, they were pleading to be protected, not to be sent back. . . . Nezihe Hanim called a few journalists and requested that they be brought to Mr. Ryan, the head translator of the British Embassy. . . . Although it was known how much hatred he had against the Turks, Nezihe Hanim thought that he would be compassionate in the presence of these two innocent and desperate children. . . I later heard that when these two children were speaking, an Armenian official entered the room to say something to Mr. Ryan. One of the children screamed ‘this was the man who beat and kicked us'. The man was a member of the delegation in the Church of Kumkapu. . . .

The pain of this little creature affected me very much. For me he symbolized the desperate Turkish nation. He was small and weak. (118)

END COVERED 116 F.O. 371/6556/E.2730/800/44

117 Cemiyeti akvam ve Turkiye’deki Ermeni ve Rumlar, Dahiliye Nezareti Muhacarin Kalem Md. Nesriyat No. 6 (Istanbul, 1922), p. 14

118 Halide Edip, The Turkish Ordeal (London, 1928), pp. 16-18

[On Andrew Ryan: "He was a notorious anti-Turkish intriguer who was described later by Major J. Douglas Henry during his interview with General Rafet Pasha (November 27-December 5, 1921) as 'the most hated man in Turkey... .an intriguer of a kind who did not scruple to employ traitors and turncoats for his purposes.' ( British Foreign Office Archives: PRO—FO 371/6480)"]




From the United States Archives:

Approximate number of Armenians in the world, November 1922.

Of the total indicated below, 817,873 are refugees from Turkey. The figures as to the refugees are based upon information furnished by the British Embassy, Constantinople, and by the agents of the Near East Relief Society, in 1921. The total given does not include the able-bodied Armenians, who are retained by the Kemalists, nor the women and children, - approximately 95,000,- according to the League of Nations- who have been forced to embrace Islam.

1.- In Turkey:

Constantinople .......... 150,000
Asia Minor ......... 131,000
281,000

2. In Russia :

Republic of Erivan 1,200,000
Georgia 400,000
Azerbaidjan 340,000
Region of TransCapian 30,000
Other parts of Russia 225,000
2,195,000

3. In Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia 104,000
Egypt, Sudan and Abyssinia 28,000
India, Java and Australia 12,000
Persia 50,000
194,000

4. In Greece and Cyprus 79,000
Bulgaria 46,000
Rumania 43,000
Central and Western Europe 35,000
206,000

5. In the United States and Canada 125,000
South America 3,000
123,000

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3,004,000


Holdwater: If we put aside Armenian propaganda, the general estimates of the worldwide Armenian population from before the war was around three million. (For example, in sources such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. By contrast, an Armenian historian such as Pasdermadjian would have had us believe 4.1 million.) After the war, if the worldwide population was around three million, and figuring for a normal few hundred thousand population increase in about a decade, the reader can draw conclusions on the true Armenian mortality.

Here's another way of looking at this. There were some 1.5 million Ottoman-Armenians before the war. If the above tells us some 300,000 remained in Turkey, and 800,000 were refugees, that means there were 1.1 million survivors. Even if we take the high end of legitimate Armenian population counts (i.e., 1.7 million), we can see there could have been no way for over a million Armenians to have died, as Armenian propaganda deceptively keeps reminding us.



British Report from November 1919



Reminder: As with the rest of the documents on this page, the writing is not always legible; the transcriptions provided are meant only as a guide.

The "Total" column from above has not been transcribed.

WASTAGE OF MAN-POWER
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(?) Table ‘A’ the Total number of Turks in 1914 was - 8,162,600.
* * ‘D’ the considered average statistic of Turks at present time is - 6,980,000

The difference therefore may be taken as wastage of manpower, and is 1,312,600.





There are no figures for the Vilayet of ERZERUM

Holdwater: Here is a separate source telling us the number of Armenians present in the post war empire. Remember, the pre-war median and "neutral" population of Armenians was 1.5 million. If there were some 600,000 Armenians left, that means under a million would have been unaccounted for. (Armenian propaganda tells us more than a million Armenians were killed.) But the rest was not unaccounted for. Many had gone off on their own accord to lands that were not under the control of the Ottomans, such as 500,000 to Transcaucasia, according to Richard Hovannisian, 50,000 to Iran, and many thousands to other areas such as Greece, not to mention those who stayed behind in the Arab regions they were relocated to. Add them all up to get a truer picture of the Armenian mortality.

J. B. Jackson on the "Deported"

J. B. Jackson was the American consul from Aleppo, and one of the most bigoted men from the consular pool. In a letter to Ambassador Henry Morgenthau on February 8, 1916, here is how Jackson broke down the numbers:



Holdwater:
The next month, Morgenthau was quoted by Vahan Cardashian, in a
letter to Lord Bryce, as stating the Ottoman government's attitude
toward Armenians was "passive" and that the "Armenians
were found in good numbers in almost all the interior cities of
Turkey." [The Armenian Review, Winter 1957, p. 107.]. That
is, the relocation was all but over. (Talat Pasha had first ordered
the movements to stop as early as August, 1915; locals had different
ideas.) The question to ask: if the idea were state-sponsored genocide,
why would the extermination process have come to a halt so soon?
As we know from Schindler's List, the Nazis kept chugging
along with their
"Final Solution" until
the bitter closing hours of WWII.



Boghos Nubar had estimated the total number of the "déportés"
at 6-700,000, in a Dec. 11, 1918 letter to French Minister Gout,
not far off from J. B. Jackson's near-500,000.

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