846) Antranik: Ottoman Rebel and Traitor

Prof. Fevzi Ersoy (Akdeniz University Medical School, Antalya/Turkey) wrote TAT with a "general idea during my internet discussions on so called genocide
issue." I ran a search and found a version of his article on David Wilson's personal page in the University of Wisconsin-Madison site (Here entitled, "TRUTH IS WITHIN ARMENIAN LIFE STORIES FROM 1910's.") I incorporated the last three paragraphs of this page to the end of the version Prof. Ersoy sent TAT, making slight modifications; and I followed what I assumed were Prof. Ersoy's bold highlights from the Wilson page.

What is of particular interest is the way Prof. Ersoy has "busted" a reverential look at Antranik that is on an Armenian site. The whole point is that this is one of the many examples where Armenians keep disproving their own genocide, through their own genocide articles. (Remember: one of the requirements in the legal definition of genocide, according to the 1948 U. N. Convention, is that no political alliances are allowed. The Armenians allied themselves with the Ottoman's Entente enemies, and betrayed the nation that had allowed the Armenians to prosper for centuries.)



MOVIE ARARAT; ANDRANIK PASHA’S LIFE AND FACTS:



Some critical quotes from the movie Ararat:


Ali, actor playing Jevdet Bey: "Are you gonna shoot me or something? Look, I never heard about any of this stuff when I was growing up. You know? I did some research for the part. From what I read there were deportations and lots of people died. Armenians and Turks. It was World War 1."

Raffi: "But Turkey wasn't at war with the Armenians. I mean, just like Germany wasn't at war with the Jews. They were citizens. They were expecting to be protected. That scene you just shot was based on an eyewitness account. Your character Jevdet Bey, the only reason they put him in Van was to carry out the complete extermination of the Armenian population in Van. There were telegrams, there were communicators... "

The critical words here are "Turkey wasn't at war with the Armenians. I mean, just like Germany wasn't at war with the Jews. They were citizens."

It's touchy is not it?

Usual Armenian story tells us that "Suddenly Turks decided to make a genocide, because they are "genocidal".

Let's read Armenian Hero General Andranik's (Andranik Pasha) life story. (As taken from an Armenian source, directly written by Armenian hands!):

GENERAL ANDRANIK'S LIFE:



"The first name in the Armenian struggle for national liberation in modern times is Andranik. "Like an eagle he soars over the mountains and ridges." Andranik Toros Ozanian was born in historic Shabin-Karahisar ("Shabin, the black fortress," 80 miles northeast of Erzurum). He was destined more, perhaps, than any of the other Armenian revolutionaries, to provide leadership, rationality, acumen, prudence, and effectiveness to Armenia's rising up against the brutal Ottoman oppression. Even during his adolescence Andranik recognized the pattern of Ottoman oppression and the sufferings of his people. So it was that at the tender age of 22, having lost his wife and two children, Andranik joined a partisan group formed in his native town. Inspired with the ideals of liberation for his people, Andranik went to Constantinople to meet those who had already been deeply involved in the liberation movement. He readily accepted tasks assigned to him.

When the leader, Serob Aghbiur, of a fighting group which Andranik had joined, was killed, Andranik was named leader. It was in 1901 when his fighting group held out in the Arakelots Vank against an overwhelmingly superior force that Andranik's name became famous for his effectiveness as a revolutionary leader. There were many more similar occurrences to come. Andranik, at first, joined the Hunchak party; it was through party organization that he could be effective in securing men and materiel with which to carry on. But disagreement with party policies led Andranik to leave the Hunchak ranks and join the Dashnak party.


Antranik "Pasha": Ottoman traitor and mass
murderer.


There too, when that party engaged in practices judged to be wrong in principle, Andranik resigned. During the period 1907-13 Andranik committed his energies to helping the Bulgarian liberation movement. In it he created an Armenian division, which brought honor to itself by its effective participation. For his efforts Andranik was decorated and commissioned an officer. With World War I under way (1914-1918) Andranik went to the Caucasus and assisted in organizing Armenian battle units to fight the Turks alongside the Russian army units. In 1915 Andranik was named commander of all Armenian volunteer units within the Russian army.The overthrow of the Tsarist regime in Russia (1917) and the consequent collapse of the Russian imperial army found Andranik on the side of the working class out of which the social revolution in Russia had arisen. Early in 1918 he began to organize a separate army to liberate western Armenia. Made a Major General, Andranik had many thousands under his command, Armenian soldiers from the old Russian army, and many thousand Armenians who had volunteered from all over the world. However, short on re-sources and back-up military fighting units, Andranik had to abandon his plan to take Erzurum. With the collapse of the Tsarist Russian government an independent Armenian Republic was set up in May 1918. Andranik was in sympathy with the social principles that came with the new Russian order and desired to maintain amicable relations with Russia. However, Armenia's ruling party, the Dashnaks, did not favor such a relationship. As a result Andranik once again had a falling out with them. The brilliant defense of Zangezur (1918-19) under Andranik's command marked the end of his military career"

(http://www.janfedayi.com/Andranik/)

LET’S TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT THE IMPORTANT POINTS IN ANDRANIK PASHA'S LIFE STORY:




1- "Born in historic Shabin-Karahisar ('Shabin, the black fortress in Turkish,' 80 miles northeast of Erzurum)."

Means he is a native son of Ottoman Empire...Although passports were not so popular that time if he would have one it would certainly be a Turkish passport.

2- "He was destined more, perhaps, than any of the other Armenian revolutionaries, to provide leadership, rationality, acumen, prudence, and effectiveness to Armenia's rising up against the brutal Ottoman oppression."

Means long before 1915, he was organising "a revolution". Generally if it is an "ethnic revolution" we can call it "uprising". They use the term "rising up" anyway. When you change it upside down it is uprising. Of course against Turkey...Their official country. Again this happens long before 1915. And he is not the only one. There are other "revolutionists". He is the one with gifts of leadership etc...Those revolutionists here are NOT "Young Turks" who are preparing a movement against Sultan. Our Pasha's main interest is: ARMENIA's rising up against Turkey.


The caption from the Armenian site reads, "Gen. Andranik with his Men." Probably Antranik is the gentleman at dead center, with moustache and wide-opened legs. The backdrop is painted.

3- "Andranik joined a partisan group formed in his native town. Inspired with the ideals of liberation for his people..."

Obviously there were Armenian partisans in his native town, probably for a long time. He is inspired with the ideals of liberation for his people which means Armenians. That time there was revolutionary Turkish movement too, against Sultan Hamid's tyranic regime but in text it clearly talks about a group of Armenians. We can call them rebels too. They were aiming an independent "Western Armenian" state. That means Eastern Anatolia, in other words Turkey. Again and again this things happen long before WW1 and 1915, or so called "genocide years".

4- "Andranik went to Constantinople to meet those who had already been deeply involved in the liberation movement. He readily accepted tasks assigned to him. When the leader, Serob Aghbiur, of a fighting group which Andranik had joined, was killed, Andranik was named leader. "

Now "Pasha goes to Istanbool"... Clearly there are other Armenians in Istanbul in the rebellion movement. Again these people are not revolutionary groups related to anti-sultan movement. Their group leader is an Armenian and they aim is related to Armenia. Not freedom of the whole empire. I wonder what kind of tasks were readily accepted by him? They are as the group "deeply involved" in rebellion. Looks like his unarmed civilian group also fights time to time. Remember: We are still a long way from 1915, so called "Genocide" years...






5-"During the period 1907-13 Andranik committed his energies to helping the Bulgarian liberation movement. In it he created an Armenian division, which brought honor to itself by its effective participation."

Until 1913 he participates in Bulgarian Liberation movement, of course against Turks. He never participates in anything which is not against Turks. He makes his job with great success. As an unarmed, loyal citizen of Turkey. Like other Armenians of course. They are citizens of Turkey and they were expecting to be protected.

6- "With World War I under way (1914-1918) Andranik went to the Caucasus and assisted in organizing Armenian battle units to fight the Turks alongside the Russian army units."

Now WW1 started. It is still 1914. No genocide yet. As soon as WW1 starts some Armenians and their traitor Pasha, as citizens of Turkey have joined Russian Army...Armenians from Eastern and "Western" Armenia's fighting together against Turkish Army. Western Armenians are now shooting Turkish soldiers from the back. (And the) Eastern(er)s (are shooting) from the front. Now remember Raffi's touchy words:

"Turkey wasn't at war with the Armenians. I mean, just like Germany wasn't at war with the Jews. They were citizens. They were expecting to be protected."

Has anyone of you heard Jews plotting against Germans, committing uprisings, fighting against Germans before genocide?

Oh sure! Ottomans should have protected them like precious jewels... "Armenians were not in war with Turkey. They were like Jews in Germany.. They were not in an uprising... They were all innocent, unarmed civilians, loyal to their country" which is Turkey.

7-"In 1915 Andranik was named commander of all Armenian volunteer units within the Russian army."

That makes our Pasha a real "Biggest Traitor". He fights against Turkey. That means in so called "genocide years" he was the commander of 150 000 innocent and unarmed Armenians in Russian Army...Some of them from Eastern Armenia. Many of them (like our Pasha) from Turkey...Obviously he was not the only innocent and unarmed citizen of Turkey working as a traitor.

This is what they have been doing especially during first months of 1915 :

"When we arrived at Zeve, the village couldn't be passed through because of its stench. It was as if the bones in our noses would fall off... There were bodies everywhere. We saw a weird scene on the threshold of one house: they had filled the house with Muslims and burned it, and so many people had been burnt that the fat that had oozed from under the threshold had turned back into the trench in front of the door. That is, it was as if the river of fat had risen and later receded. The fat was still fresh. The entire village had been destroyed and was in this situation. I saw this with my own eyes, and I'll never forget it. We heard that they did the same thing to the Muslims on Carpanak Island. The Armenians told me about the latter; I did not see it for myself.”

Haci Osman Gemicioglu, an Armenian-Turk (having converted to Islam) who eyewitnessed the 1915 Zeve massacre; as told to Huseyin Celik, during interviews conducted in the late 1970s-early 80s.

(Unfortunately in the second part of 1915 Turks were doing the same. I wish killers from both sides would be stopped by god. I respect and pray for all those who died from both sides.)





Let's go on:

8- "Andranik had many thousands under his command, Armenian soldiers from the old Russian army, and many thousand Armenians who had volunteered from all over the world."

"Many thousand Armenians." 1915 was not the best time for touristic movements in Eastern Anatolia. What were they doing? Climbing Ararat? Snowboarding in beautiful ski resorts of Erzurum? In five star hotels? They were from all over the world. But I'm sure our Armenian friends will tell us that there were nobody from Turkey. Because they were loyal, unarmed civilians. If you believe that....We know only our pasha's story which tells us that he was a traitor. Common logic tells us that he was not the only one.

9- "However, short on resources and back-up military fighting units, Andranik had to abandon his plan to take Erzurum".

That means he was good in killing unarmed Turks in small villages and towns, hoping to repeat it in larger cities like Erzurum (they did it in Van, almost all Turks in that city were killed in one day) but he could not do it. Why: Because of a lack of resources!



Friends! The whole story was a series of bilateral killings. Started by Armenians. You read the Antranik’s story. Have you ever heard about any Jewish general, Jewish insurgents, Jewish force strikes, fighting units, etc. in Nazi Germany? You can not compare two situations. That's why Armenians are trying to push bans on discussion of "Genocide" issue. If people discuss it, world will learn the truth. Countries such as France, Switzerland now have acts banning discussion of "genocide" issue. They can tell that it happened, we can not tell the truth...What kind of a democracy concept is that !

They lie, and they know it. They can not even tell their National Hero's life story without ruining their false genocide scenario. In every word of a single man's story you can see lies, lies, lies.

Truth is within Armenian life stories from 1910's. Every single of them proves that they are the lying side. Armenian life stories prove that during 1913-1915 there was a Russian backed Armenian uprising and they were all involving in it . They are undeniable, simple Armenian life stories. Written everywhere by Armenian people. Nobody can change them. As we review new Armenian-celebrity life stories from that time, with every single person's life story one-sided genocide scenario will turn in to a ruin. Because in most of them they are telling their heroic fights and their great successes against Turks, while claiming that Armenians were unarmed and loyal to Ottoman Government...

Friends: find an Armenian's life story with a chronological order on the internet. Of course they should be important persons from "genocide" time. Look what they have been doing between 1910-1918. You will see the undeniable proofs of Armenian rebellion. Not a one sided Turkish made genocide.

It is so simple!




Holdwater, end note: the Armenian page on Antranik tells us how his remains were returned to Armenia, met at the airport by the nation's top officials (such as the Prime and Foreign Ministers), complete with ceremony "officiated by His Holiness Karekin II, the Catholicos of All Armenians." Just as with the case involving Dro, whose remains were returned in mid-2000. Both Dro and Antranik presided over the mass murders of tens of thousands of helpless and innocent Ottoman civilians.

What are the effects of this attitude on the minds of impressionable children? What does it mean when an Armenian ‘Boy Scout Troop’ goes to church and participates in a ‘memorial commemorative service’ for the ‘Lisbon Five Martyrs’? When they listen to their elders speak of dead terrorists as “martyrs” who have “joined the pantheon of our ancient braves?” The answer to these queries is all too obvious: It means nothing less than that ‘terrorists’ are being portrayed for today's Armenian youth as fitting ‘role models,’ as ‘heroes’ whose actions are worthy of emulation. It further means that for every Armenian terrorist who is captured or killed there will be another impressionable youth waiting to take his place. It means, in fact, the continuation of ‘round after round’ of ‘generation after generation’ of Armenian Terrorism.

Professor Heath Lowry, “Nineteenth and Twentieth Century Armenian Terrorism: Threads of Continuity,”


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The source site of this article gets revised often, as better
information comes along. For the most up-to-date version, and
the related photos, the reader may consider reviewing
the direct link as follows:

www.tallarmeniantale.com/antranik.htm
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Antranik Pasha (1865-1927)

Andranik Toros Ozanian was born in historic Shabin-Karahisar ("Shabin, the black fortress," 80 miles northeast of Erzurum). He was destined more, perhaps, than any of the other Armenian revolutionaries, to provide leadership, rationality, acumen, prudence, and effectiveness to Armenia's rising up against the brutal Ottoman oppression. Even during his adolescence Andranik recognized the pattern of Ottoman oppression and the sufferings of his people. So it was that at the tender age of 22, having lost his wife and two children, Andranik joined a partisan group formed in his native town. Inspired with the ideals of liberation for his people, Andranik went to Constantinople to meet those who had already been deeply involved in the liberation movement. He readily accepted tasks assigned to him.

When the leader, Serob Aghbiur, of a fighting group which Andranik had joined, was killed, Andranik was named leader. It was in 1901 when his fighting group held out in the Arakelots Vank against an overwhelmingly superior force that Andranik's name became famous for his effectiveness as a revolutionary leader. There were many more similar occurrences to come. Andranik, at first, joined the Hunchak party; it was through party organization that he could be effective in securing men and materiel with which to carry on. But disagreement with party policies led Andranik to leave the Hunchak ranks and join the Dashnak party.

Source : http://www.janfedayi.com/Andranik/

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2004/06/blog-post_18.html

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