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What is Wrong with the Following Article?

Here is a puzzle. Spot what's wrong with the following article, from The Los Angeles Times.


As a Rare Cathedral Crumbles, Two Rival Nations Point Fingers

Religion: Turks blame Armenian quarry blasts for damaging church in Ani. The dispute is but one legacy of countries' bloody, bitter history.

August 30, 2001

By AMBERIN ZAMAN SPECIAL TO THE TIMES

ANI, Turkey -- Towering above a bleak, wind-swept plateau near Turkey's border with Armenia, the red stone cathedral of Ani has defied wars, earthquakes and time.

But today, one of the holiest sites of Armenian Christian Orthodoxy is facing what an archeologist here calls the biggest threat of its millennium-old existence: dynamite blasts from four stone quarries less than a quarter of a mile away in Armenian territory.

The stone, ironically, is being mined to build a Christian Orthodox cathedral in Yerevan, the Armenian capital, that will look similar to the one in Ani. Turkish officials say the deafening explosions have shaken the area for two years despite their pleas to Armenia for the quarrying to stop. The United States, France and the United Nations have backed Turkey's appeal.

"Not only the cathedral but most of the monuments here will soon collapse," said Beyhan Karamaragli, a Turkish archeologist who has been leading excavations here since 1988. "This is cultural genocide."

Genocide is a particularly loaded word here. Armenians often use it to describe how they say the Ottoman Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians during World War I. Turkish officials today acknowledge that as many as 600,000 Armenians died but portray them as victims of civil disorders, exposure and starvation as they fled southward to escape the conflict.

The dispute over those deaths still stands in the way of diplomatic and trade relations between Armenia and Turkey, as does Armenia's continued occupation of territory claimed by Turkey's closest regional ally, Azerbaijan.

Gagik Gurjan, head of the cultural heritage department of the Armenian Culture Ministry, said geologists at the quarries had been consulted and that they had reported that the quarrying of stone there could not be damaging the cathedral in Ani.

"I think some people in Turkey are using this situation for political ends," he said. "If the Turks hadn't destroyed these monuments themselves over the centuries, they would have nothing to complain about now."

"What's more," he added, "there is a gorge between them, and the shock waves from the explosions could not reach or in any way affect any building or monument in Ani."

Trying to break the ice, retired diplomats and academics from Turkey and Armenia have set up a commission to promote cooperation in educational and cultural projects. At their first meeting last month, in Geneva, they reportedly discussed a joint effort to preserve the ruins of this walled medieval town.

Until the early decades of the 20th century, at least 2 million Armenians are believed to have lived in Turkey, mostly in the east. Today, about 60,000 Armenians remain in Turkey; most of them live in Istanbul.

Nowhere are traces of the Anatolia region's Armenian heritage more visible than in Ani, 27 miles northeast of the Turkish town of Kars.

Ani rises above the emerald green waters of the Arpa River, which separates Turkey from Armenia. Stubby pillars that once supported a 14th century stone bridge between the two countries remain as a symbol of the neighbors' stormy ties.

Armenians and Turks tell different versions of Ani's history.

Turkish historians insist that Ani holds greater significance for Turkey because it was one of the first Anatolian cities to be conquered by the Seljuk Turks when they swept in from Central Asia in the early 11th century. Armenian rule, they say, did not last more than 50 to 70 years before defeat by the Seljuks.

According to Armenian accounts, Ani was ruled for much of its history by a succession of Armenian kings, and it was their capital for at least two centuries. In the 10th century, Ani was glorified by the Armenians as "the city of a thousand and one churches," with the cathedral as its centerpiece.

"If so, why are they [Armenians] willfully destroying it now?" asked Karamaragli, pointing to a 30-foot-long crack in the southwest corner of the cathedral, which she says widens with the tremors from the quarries.

The septuagenarian archeologist says she has records of every blast and every crack and hole resulting from each explosion. The nearby Menucehr, the oldest Seljuk mosque in the region, has suffered some of the worst damage.

In this earthquake-weary country, residents of the neighboring village of Ocakli often mistake the tremors for quakes. "Our children are terrorized. Our cows have stopped producing milk," said Muhammad Sevcan, a local farmer.

In an embarrassment for the Armenian government, an ear-splitting explosion rocked the site in mid-June just as a group of Armenian Americans had gathered to pray at the cathedral. They were part of a 150-member group of Armenian Americans on a pilgrimage through Turkey to retrace the steps of St. Gregory.

"They were terrified--they thought it was a bomb," recalled Mehmet Kinacioglu, a Turkish tourist who was present.

Pilgrims reportedly sent letters of complaint to the Armenian government. So did the Istanbul-based Armenian patriarch, Mesrob II.

No explosions have been heard here since mid-July.

Turkish officials, though, say they doubt that the respite will last long. They point to a May 5 report from Russia's Interfax news agency quoting an Armenian Foreign Ministry spokesman as saying the quarrying would stop by the end of that month. "In June, the explosions were continuing," said a senior Turkish diplomat, "so who is to say they will not resume again?" Gurjan, the Armenian official, said the blasts have stopped. But it wasn't because of complaints from Turkey, he said, but because workers are now using different quarrying methods.

Staff writer Robyn Dixon in The Times' Moscow Bureau contributed to this report.



How Many Mistakes Did You Find?


Let's see, now.... first, there was the mistake of Armenia rudely ignoring the request of her neighbor to make such a racket and to destroy cultural landmarks, like their brother Orthodox Serbs, who deliberately targeted the magnificent, centuries-old Ottoman bridge at Mostar during the Bosnian conflict (Which had earlier come under attack from the Bosnian Croats). Oh, hold on. That was no mistake. The Armenians were just being un-neighborly, which is only their custom.

The word "Genocide," as applied to the Armenian experience during W.W.I is used from the Armenian perspective, and then the Turkish perspective... seems balanced, so far.

The head of the cultural heritage department of the Armenian Culture Ministry was sought out and we got his perspective on the matter... that was pretty fair.

The history of Ani is presented from the viewpoints of both sides... so far, pretty good.

Okay, I give up! What is wrong with this article? I can't find a darned thing that is wrong with it..! And neither would any other fair-minded person.

Ahh, but what of an unfair-minded person? That is a horse of an entirely different color.

To wit:

THE EDITORS OF THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE HAVE REFUSED TO PUBLISH AN APOLOGY OR A CORRECTION.

The L.A. Times is owned by the Chicago Tribune.

The L.A. Times has not yet fired Amberin Zaman.
She uses “Los Angeles Times” underneath her
HOLOCAUST DENIER NAME.

If a reporter said the Jewish Holocaust was an “allegation disputed between American Jews and neo-Nazi’s descendants of Germans slaughtered in the ghetto riots,” there would be firings and resignations, apologies and corrections at those newspapers involved. Exactly why is the Armenian Holocaust denial to receive anything less?

Amberin Zaman has DENIED GENOCIDE TIME AND TIME AGAIN! What is going on?
READ ON!

“Reporter" Amberin Zaman - Ankara Turkey's State Tool. She is an Armenian Holocaust Denial MACHINE - prostituting the L.A. Times name to spew her hatred in papers like the Chicago Tribune and Philadelphia Inquirer. WHY IS THIS STILL GOING ON?

Holocaust or Genocide denial is a hate crime of unparalleled ferocity, as Professor Israel Charny has said, “killing the victim people twice — once with genocide and then again with denial.”

The Armenian Genocide – the most thoroughly documented genocide on the planet -- is nothing but “allegations” according to Ankara, Turkey-based reported Amberin Zaman, published January 5th in the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, and Philadelphia Inquirer!

Turkish Denial has become a common topic for High Schools term papers -- largely thanks to the work of System of a Down, a rock group of Americans of Armenian descent-- and in Colleges and Universities -- thanks to Turkey’s interesting, almost amusing omnipresent denial publications sent to colleges libraries from Ankara, Turkey financed by U.S. Tax dollars. They have been discredited and are ridiculed.

The goal of this protest is to raise awareness so as to lead to the immediate termination of the reckless publication of Armenian Holocaust denial by major U.S. newspapers—the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune (owner of the L.A. Times), and the Philadelphia Inquirer—and to increase their awareness of the irrefutably genocidal nature of Turkey’s state’s policies (1893 to 1923, but especially 1915) which removed 5 million Christians from Asia Minor (“Turkey”) resulting in today’s unrepentant and 99.9% Muslim Turkish Republic. This is often called the “Forgotten Holocaust.” (See the petition by 128 of the best and brightest Holocaust Scholars at www.zoryan.org under “genocide documents”)

A simple apology or a published correction by the Tribune, the LA Times and the Philadelphia Inquirer is the kind request of the physical protest.

Telephone and e-mail appeals to these three have thus far fallen largely on deaf ears, although a gentleman from the L.A. Times (Barry Swick) and an editor from the Inquirer did lend their ears and promised to speak with their colleagues. That is just not enough.

Have These People Lost All Contact with Reality?


"Amberin Zaman must be fired or her publishers must publish an apology."

Once again.... the typical Armenian campaign to terrorize anyone whose views they cannot put up with.... as they have done an expert job with historians who give a version of history not to their liking.

These historians are painted with the stroke of being Turkey's tools... as the Armenians succeeded in gathering a bunch of gullible names to agree, in the case of Professor Heath Lowry. Now, suddenly, this reporter has similarly become “Ankara Turkey's State Tool." ("Ankara Turkey's"? Great English there.)

Do these intellectuals actually believe The Los Angeles Times, located in and serving the most powerful grouping of Armenians in the United States, would allow itself to be used by “Ankara Turkey's State Tool"?

(Before I go on... "5 million Christians (removed) from Asia Minor"?? Turkey is "99.9% Muslim"?)

These small-time terrorists have actually created a web page devoted to the newspaper reporter, whose only crime appears to be being Turkish, with the headline:

Turkey's AMBERIN ZAMAN:
She must pay, she WILL pay.

The page is at: geocities.com/van1915/AmberinZaman.html. Unfortunately, there is really nothing more regarding the hideous crimes committed by the reporter, besides the aforementioned article.

We do have links to the adorable Armenian National Committee of America... one of so many Armenian organizations, it's pretty hard to keep track. I know this one mainly because it's affectionately known as ANCA, so named because all it tries to do is to make people they don't like cry "Anca," by applying whatever pressure the faithful can muster.

In this case, the lovable organization is so outraged over this totally unfair article, it calls for action! "As a Rare Cathedral Crumbles, Two Rival Nations Point Fingers" is found to contain "gross historical inaccuracies and significant misrepresentation of the Armenian Genocide." The Genocide is shown "as a point of dispute" (uhhhh... that's only because it hasn't been, like, proven?), and the article "whitewashes Turkey's direct responsibility in the destruction and dilapidation of historic Armenian monuments within its territory." Come AGAIN? It sounds like the Turks are trying to save this building from Armenia's quarrying explosions, and even the greatest Armenian butt-lickers in history (The United States and France) support this notion. Have you guys ever heard of a little concept called, uh, FACTS?

If Turkey wanted to destroy "historic Armenian monuments within its territory," why would this cathedral have been left standing after all of these centuries? Has not the Ottoman Empire (and Turkey) had a historic record of preserving the non-Turkish landmarks within its territory? (Not just property, but the cultures of the people?)

ANCA further urges the faithful to bully The Los Angeles Times by using a form letter as a model, where Armenians are encouraged to claim they are "particularly troubled by the reduction of the Armenian Genocide to the level of disputed hearsay" and by "characterizing the Armenian Genocide as 'how [the Armenians] say the Ottoman Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians during World War I.' "

"The Armenian Genocide is a historical fact."

Massacres occurred, no doubt, on both sides; as far as a government sponsored policy of extermination being a "fact," well.... uhhh.... do you have something like that annoying little necessity called... PROOF?

August 11, 2002

Rev. John Hagee, Pastor
Cornerstone Church
Dallas, Texas

Dear Pastor Hagee:

The Turkish government has done a great job preserving our Christian heritage. In addition to visiting the seven church sites I also visited the Island of Patmos. The Greek Orthodox Church maintains the cave where John received his great revelation. I must say the "Christian" Greeks do not do as good of a job helping Christians as the "Muslim" Turks do.

While working on my video (Holdwater: "SEVEN CHURCHES OF REVELATION"; Judge Weems was a devoted Baptist) I visited many Christian churches in Turkey. They all have total freedom of religion and speech. The Turks' neighbor, Armenia, claims to be the first Christian church on earth. Why are there more open and operating Armenian churches in Turkey today than there are open and operating Armenian churches in Armenia? Why for example are there no operating and open mosques allowed to function in Armenia today? Why doesn't Armenia allow even other Christian churches to operate other than its state owned one church?

Sam Weems (excerpts of letter)



"The Ani Cathedral was not destroyed in the last two years, but has been disregarded and in fact slowly destroyed over the last 80 years, since the Armenians were subjected to deportations and massacres as part of the first genocide of the 20th century."

Okay! Okay, I know you've got to bring up "The Armenian Genocide" in every other breath since it's achingly the cause of your existence.... but how are you tying in the "genocide" with the willful destruction of the cathedral? It makes perfect common sense to believe the church wouldn't even be around if the Turks wanted to get rid of it. (Oh. I apologize for introducing two words foreign to your vocabulary: "Common Sense.") Moreover, are you saying because Armenians are no longer around that the church has so suffered? You know, there are some Armenians still living there. Your pal, Rudy Brueggemann, travelled to the church's neck of the woods and met some Armenian-Turks, with whom he shared a friendly mutual distrust.

If you're going to pick a fight, make sure to do so over a glaring perceived injustice. Simply claiming the Turks have deliberately been neglecting or willfully destroying this cathedral does not constitute proof... especially when what is really going on is sensibly apparent from the article. Likewise, if impartial historians can't agree over the numbers of dead or whether there was actually a state-sponsored policy of extermination, how could Armenians FAIRLY expect a newspaper to present the "genocide" information in any way than they have?

Armenians have gotten so spoiled about having their unilateral views expressed without question for nearly a century, now when the slightest (and this very fair article is truly in the category of the "slightest") deviation from their "Con Job" is encountered, the call goes out: To arms! To arms!

Imagine the editor, whose name is supplied in the ANCA site, getting the same form letter over and over again from fanatical Armenians. Not just during the period shortly after an article appeared, either.... which is the normal period to get letters. No, ANCA is so incensed over the "injustice" of this article, they have plastered their "Call to Arms" to perpetually appear on their web site, which means the editor gets harassed with Armenian junk mail from time to time.

Do you think this poor editor will be persuaded to root for the Armenian cause as a result... especially when he is deadly aware of the utter fairness of the article, as any sane person would be? What kind of a taste would that leave in a person's mouth? Probably the exact same taste Andy Rooney was left with when he was bombarded by fanatical Greeks over a petty, niggling little misstatement he inadvertently made.

Falling Through the Maze of Armenians


You know, every time I click on an Armenian link, a whole new world I have never experienced opens up to me. Thankfully, there is simply no end to these Armenian web sites, and the hysterical insistence that their cause for existence (that is, the "genocide") is indeed a fact.

Here are the new tidbits I have learned through this mini-campaign of terror, trying to see to it that Amberin Zaman — "Ankara Turkey's State Tool"— never works in this, or any other town again.

AN ARMENIAN-AMERICAN HEAVY METAL GROUP HAS INTRODUCED THE "GENOCIDE" AS THEIR MESSAGE.

As a result, "Turkish Denial has become a common topic for High Schools term papers -- largely thanks to the work of System of a Down." The private site of the group's guitarist is geocities.com/pinknshiny/times.html.

Ingenius... Insidious!

Imagine.... reaching out to the hearts and minds of devoted music fans, especially in the rock arena... where, once a band catches on to some extent, many diehard fans can be utter slaves to the pronouncements of would-be John Lennons, and the things they say.



(TAT explores this issue further on this page.)



Jews for Armenians

In addition, I checked out the "126 HOLOCAUST SCHOLARS AFFIRM THE INCONTESTABLE FACT OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND URGE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE IT" page of the Zoryan site, mentioned above.

These people "signed a statement affirming that the World War I Armenian Genocide is an incontestable historical fact."

Okay, Armenians. You can close up your thousands of web sites, and rest easy. The Genocide is now a proven fact. Why, if these scholars signed such a statement, that should settle the matter. (I mean, now the issue is "incontestable." That's what it says.) No doubt every single one of them considered the weighty evidence from both sides, in an objective and unprejudiced manner.

In addition, they have helpfully "asked the Western Democracies to urge the Government and Parliament of Turkey to finally come to terms with a dark chapter of Ottoman-Turkish history and to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This would provide an invaluable impetus to the process of the democratization of Turkey."

Oh, thank God! Once Turkey recognizes the "Genocide," the nation can finally complete its process of "democratization." Luckily, we have these scholars to tell Turkey whether she is a democracy, or not.

Further:

"Below is a partial list of the signatories:"


Prof. Yehuda Bauer

Prof. Israel Charny

Prof. Ward Churchill

Prof. Stephen Feinstein

Prof. Saul Friedman

Prof. Edward Gaffney

Prof. Zev Garber

Prof. Dorota Glowacka

Dr. Irving Greenberg

Prof. Herbert Hirsch

Prof. Irving L. Horowitz,

Dr. Steven Jacobs, Rabbi

Prof. Steven Katz

Prof. Richard Libowitz

Dr. Marcia Littell

Franklin H. Littell

Prof. Hubert G. Locke

Dr. Elizabeth Maxwell

Prof. Erik Markusen

Prof. Saul Mendlowitz

Prof. Jack Needle

Dr. Philip Rosen

Prof. Alan S. Rosenbaum

Prof. Richard Rubinstein

William L. Shulman

Prof. Samuel Totten

Prof. Elie Wiesel

Andrew W. Mellon

Let's see now.... that's around twenty eight names; there are supposed to be 126. What happened to the rest of the shy-of-a-hundred?

Could it be most of the rest had "ian" in their last names? Oh, I get it. By singling out only the non-Armenian scholars, the Zoryan people want to make the list appear to have more "legitimacy."
Elie Wiesel

Elie Wiesel, from "Armenia-- Survival of a
Nation," the pro-Armenian PBS show.

Once Elie Wiesel, "who was the keynote speaker at the (March 3-7, 2000) conference," lends his name to something like this, his reputation no doubt acts like a magnet to pull in the rest. Look at this list... so many Jewish ("If it's good enough for Elie, it's good enough for me") professors. I wonder how many of them actually checked out the truckloads of Western documentation that would have no reason to be falsely friendly to the Turks... since Westerners just aren't taught to be supportive of Turks. (And that's an understatement.) So much evidence, that even if these biased scholars don't become totally convinced that their deeply-perceived outlook on the matter has been just plain wrong, at least doubt should form in the mind of the reasonable among them... as to whether the "Genocide" is truly "incontestable."

Even when one is a professor, it becomes too easy to accept the prevailing point-of-view. What a pity. I can understand these Jews want to express their solidarity and show their sensitivity to what they believe are fellow genocide sufferers (conveniently and hypocritically ignoring the other party in this specific equation, who were truly targeted for systematic extermination)... but they haven't checked out the facts, and they are ironically doing a great disservice to the Jewish people, by cheapening the Holocaust.

It's also a shame that these Jews are unwittingly joining in the slandering/libeling of one of the very few, genuine friends of the Jewish people, the Turks (who have had a history of protecting the Jews, since rescuing nearly all of those persecuted in the Spanish and Portugese Inquisitions) thus aiding in the continuing murder of the Turks' reputation, by committing Rufmord.

I wonder how many of these ignorant Jewish scholars are aware of the misdeeds of the Armenian Nazi "Jew Hunter," General Dro... and the way in which the cowardly general learned his trade in killing defenseless Jews during W.W.II, by targeting -- literally -- Turkish children for massacres in W.W.I. That seems to have been the idea all around... "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, was not a believer in handing out lollipops to Turkish children. Unless the "pops" came out of the end of a gun.

During W.W.I, the Jews weren't safe from the Armenians, either... since the Armenians felt it should have been the duty of the Jews to support their revolution. (The Jews, grateful for the Ottoman empire for allowing them to prosper and live in security for centuries, were rightly loyal to their nation, until the end.) As a result, Armenians massacred hundreds of Jews around the Hakkari region... along with thousands of Greeks in the Trabzon area, for the same ridiculous "If you're not with us, you're against us" reason.

Even "The Chosen" are entitled to be mistaken... however, there are other Jews who happen to be more studied on the subject, such as the ones who have expressed these opinions.

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I was shocked that the message of the Armenian "Genocide" has now been insidiously introduced in the songs of Armenian-American groups. (Well... I wasn't really shocked. Armenians must shout out their cause for existence in every and any way they can. I guess I was really more "impressed" than shocked.)

I learned about this ingenious tactic from an Armenian web site that proclaimed, "Turkish Denial has become a common topic for High Schools term papers — largely thanks to the work of System of a Down" What an effective way to capture innocent hearts and minds! First, become a "cool" rock band... and once you get your name around to the point of attracting devoted fans and followers, they can blindly accept whatever message presented; like the devotees of a religious cult.

FROM THE GUESTBOOK OF AN ARMENIAN SITE

Name : Cherie on 12/3/2002

Country : usa

Message : I was not aware of the Armenian Genocide until being educated by System Of A Down. Thank you Serj, Daron, John and Shavo for the Rockin' music and informative Website. Your biggest fan...Cherie!!

A site dedicated to alternative music gave a description of SYSTEM OF A DOWN. A member of the group referred to the "Armenian-ness" of the band, and mentioned Cher as the only Armenian-American musician who has noteworthily attained fame in the American music scene... and I believe they were alluding to their potential in following in her footsteps. I've never come across Cher's thoughts on the Armenian "Genocide," but something tells me she has the decency not to blatantly mix this hot-button topic with her art; maybe this can be explained by her being part Armenian. Perhaps another part of her, the Cherokee part, prevents her from being so shrill about the topic.

In contrast, this music site devoted a page to artists' responses to the World Trade Center attack. ("Several recording artists have issued statements reacting to the September 11th terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC. Here are a few of them.") Let's read how System of a Down's Serj Tankian expressed his sorrow:



"Our whole world has been sickened by the terrible events in New York and D.C. I've been calling out to friends all week to make sure they're ok. My heart goes out to all the families suffering because of this madness.

As American citizens, we are in the privileged position to be able to speak our hearts, even if other people disagree. I highly value the fact that I can make a statement with my intention being to sponsor peace and understanding of the tragic events that have been unfolding. I ask only that, for the long-term survival of our planet, we all concentrate on positive energies in our lives while pursuing justice.

I would not be alive if not for the American orphanages that raised my grandfather after the Armenian Genocide of 1915, so I have a lot of love and respect for the good things that America has and can continue to achieve."



For GOD'S SAKE!

Here we are mourning a national tragedy, and this Armenian opportunist has the GALL to bring up his cause for existence..!

Perhaps if Serj is listening, I can explain what he's doing in musical terms:

Don't cry for me... Armenia...
While I can get... others' sympathy...
So much to ASK for...



More words of wisdom from Serj, from the group's bio:"We play heavy music, and Armenian music generally isn't heavy music. It's dramatic, like our music. The Armenian people had a genocide, just like the Jewish people had the Holocaust. Those who look the other way, such as Turkey, who committed it, that injustice itself has been a driving point of my life," admits Serj. "Because of that, I've been able to look at other injustices in the world. I know that injustice exists and it's always hidden, so it opens your eyes. It's been a motivation factor. Since we do something different musically, people need to name it something. Some say it's Armenian rock. But that's unfair to us. It's a part of who we are, but it's not what we do. If we're playing in another country, I don't think we'd be called 'Armenian rock."

Holdwater: How noble of you, Serj, to base your songs on injustice. I look forward to a future endeavor of yours, detailing how Armenian general Dro, called the "Jew Hunter" by the Nazis, helped snuff out the lives of European Jewry as part of the Nazi Machine's Final Solution. I have a feeling you probably won't write about how your people unjustly turned against their own nation in World War I, a nation where they safely lived and prospered for over half a millennium... and where the more cowardly among your forefathers, like Dro, made it a practice of specifically targeting women and children... while engaging in their systematic extermination campaign against defenseless Muslim neighbors. Just like your contemporaries did when they sliced up thousands of Azeris during their sleep, in a sneak and cowardly Pearl Harbor like attack, and forced a million of them to become refugees... thanks to a billion dollars in Russian rubles, along with the always unending supply of American greenbacks.

Not incidentally, if you cannot remove your art from the Armenian Falsified Genocide, it's far from "unfair" to call what you're doing "Armenian rock."

"P.L.U.C.K.," for instance, stands for "Politically Lying, Unholy, Cowardly Killers." "It's a revolutionary song having to do with the Armenian genocide, the injustice," explains Serj, the main lyricist.


Artist: SYSTEM OF A DOWN
Album: System of a Down
Title: P.L.U.C.K.

One Un-Plucky Song

Elimination

Why
Die walk down

A whole race Genocide
Taken away all of our pride
A whole race Genocide
Taken away
Watch them all fall down

Revolution
The only solution
The armed response
Of an entire nation
Revolution, the only solution
We've taken all your sh*t
Now it's time for restitution

Recognition
Restoration
Reparation
Recognition
Restoration
Reparation
Watch them all fall down

Revolution
The only solution
The armed response
Of an entire nation
Revolution
The only solution
We've taken all your sh*t
Now it's time for restitution

The plan was mastered
And called Genocide
(Never want to
See you around)

Took all the children
And then we died
(Never want to
See you around)
The few that remained
Were never found
(Never want to
See you around)
All in a system of down
Down, down, down
Walk down

Watch them all fall down
Revolution
The only solution
The armed response
Of an entire nation
Revolution
The only solution
We've taken all your sh*t
Now it's time for restitution

The plan was mastered
And called Genocide
(Never want to
See you around)
Took all the children
And then we died
(Never want to
See you around)
The few that remained
Were never found
(Never want to
See you around)
All in a system, down


"The only solution... The armed response... of an entire nation." What a lovely and mature sentiment.

Uh-oh; Serj wants "reparation." Too late, Serj. The Armenian nation signed the Treaty of Gumru forever foregoing the issue of reparations. You do believe in ... uhhhh... Armenians keeping their word, don't you?


Unfortunately, "System of a Down" appears to have managed to make some inroads into the real world, and attained a degree of international success... it's more than just another obscure garage band. And who can we thank for that? I guess it's this fellow...


Rick Rubin elected to sign and produce the group as the first new act on American Recordings under a recent pact with Columbia Records.

Sigh.

Yet another American Jew who is giving Armenian hate messages a helping hand to reach a wide audience... one with media clout, like Harvey Weinstein of Miramax, distributor of ARARAT.

Holdwater Reflects on Armenian-Loving Jews



Granted, Rick Rubin probably doesn't care about the "Genocide" message... and hard rock is an area where it's cool to present "intense" messages, like sometimes when Rap Music is almost expected to contain words of misogyny, racism and ugliness. However, it always breaks my heart when Jewish people become a party to the Armenian Falsified Genocide, inadvertently, or willingly.

Not that American Jews don't have a right to be as ignorant and/or prejudiced as their fellow Americans when it comes to Turkish history, since Turkey is an almost "taboo" topic to be spoken of favorably in America... save for the Travel Section. The fanatics among Armenians and Greeks do an excellent job in shutting down anything said about Turks, unless the Turks are made out to look villainous. Armenians and Greeks have an easy job of keeping up the hatred campaign, since most Americans have been conditioned to think negatively about Turks.

But American Jews? Traditionally so sensitive, so caring, so a cut above the rest? During the Civil Rights Movement, it was mostly the Jews among the whites to be at the forefront of the struggle for equality. Groups watching out for injustices, such as the American Civil Rights Union, are often loaded with Jewish people. I feel it's not a coincidence that there is this connection, as the Jews' historic persecution enables them to generally be more enlightened than most, better equipping them to be on the look-out for issues regarding humanity, and fairness.

Years ago, a good friend of mine invited me to assist him on an out-of-state job. During the evening, we wound up speaking with a pair of pretty Southern gals, and one of them was fascinated by Gary. Gary was the "first Jew" she had encountered... she wasn't being anti-Semitic or malicious, it was just that Gary was a novelty to her. Gary, of course, was deflecting her naive statements with his quick-witted, New York "Jewish" quips that one needn't be from New York to be familiar with and appreciate. (Having had a taste of this style from the many Jewish comedians originating from the region.) What was going on was a revelation to me, because usually I'm the novelty to people... Turks especially were not that numerous in the United States at this time, and still aren't. Secondly, because New York City has so many Jews, and I have consequently had so many Jewish friends, it was very weird to get this glimpse of Jews being a rarity, elsewhere.

My sister once said when she meets new people, the ones who often ask, "Ohhh... what kind of a name is that?" are Jewish. When I thought about it, it was true. Usually, the average American is too "unaware" to make an immediate issue of an unfamiliar-sounding name. The reason for this? The "Arab Radar" of American Jews.

My conclusions as to why American Jews are unfriendly to Turks, and sometimes love the Armenians:

1) They are ignorant of Jewish history

2) They clump Turks with Arabs, as do most ignorant Americans; those who know the difference still entertain the Moslem bias, like American Christians, but not exactly in the same way,

3) Raised with a Holocaust-awareness, they are quick to embrace the Armenians, so wholly perceived as fellow genocide-sufferers. Like almost every other American, American Jews have been equally brainwashed to swallow the exclusively-presented version of the Armenian Con Job.

Regarding the third point, if respected Jews associated with the great genocidal crime committed against them speak for the Armenians, like Holocaust Man Elie Wiesel, that clinches the deal. Who doesn't like Elie Wiesel? I have always had a positive impression of him. However, once I discovered Elie Wiesel has freely thrown in his lot with the Armenians (when I watched PBS' "Armenia -- Survival of a Nation"), and learned what a lazy thinker he is, and someone who has irresponsibly observed only one side of the story... I have lost respect for Elie Wiesel. For me, now he is a Hollow-caust Man.

Out of all the many Jewish people I've met and have had occasion to discuss the Turkish-Jewish connection with, there was only one who had heard (for example) about the Khazars — and this man was markedly above-average in his intelligence, and his knowledge was almost to be expected. The Jews' unawareness of Turkish-related areas of Jewish history shouldn't be surprising, because Turkish history in the United States is all-around an ignored topic... except when the time comes to show the Turks as criminals. However, sometimes Turco-Jewish history seems even to be deliberately swept under the rug.

When I watched PBS' "Civilization and the Jews" (PBS is also top-heavy with presenting Jewish-friendly programs, as they present Armenian ones), I paid attention to the episode on the Spanish Inquisition... we were told the only place in Europe where Jews found refuge was Amsterdam. I found it very strange that there was no mention of the Ottoman Empire... were the Jewish producers and historians involved in the making of this program that unaware? Were the producers so unfamiliar with the Ottoman Empire's Sephardic Jews, who were loyal until the end? Obviously, they had no awareness of what historian Cecil Roth wrote: "Jewish people must always recall the Ottoman Empire with gratitude who, at one of Judaism’s darkest hours, flung open its door widely and kept them open."

It is so very ironic... Turks were one of the very, very few historic friends of the Jews, before America gathered strength... and American Jews (along with, apparently, Israeli Jews, as well) are not only unaware of this part of their history, too many of them actively take sides against the Turks. During World War II, Turkey was a refuge for thousands of Jews... and Turkish diplomats saved Jews in foreign countries, sometimes at the risk of their own lives. Meanwhile, in WWII, Armenians were declared an Aryan race and actively worked side-by-side with the Nazis to help polish off the Jews. In the history of the Ottoman Empire, Armenians and Greeks killed Jews, those times they had the chance. Turks treated Jews "with a special consideration and compassion as one of their own," according to the Empire's last Grand Rabbi, Haim Nahum.., who also said in 1924, "It is actually an understatement that there was no anti-Semitism in Turkey. In fact, there was a pro-Semitism."

If Jews are influenced to embrace fellow genocide-sufferers, there are almost none versed enough in history to have reached the rare Jewish conclusion the extraordinarily well-informed "The Jewish Times" did, in June 21, 1990:

"An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."

So whenever I come across someone like Rick Rubin, my heart sinks. I'm sure the sole basis for his judgment to push System of a Down had to do with his opinion of the quality of the band's music... but if he were the kind of rare Jewish person like fellow Jewish-American, Dr. J.E. Botton (who opined in "Forward": "It should be our moral obligation to defend Turkey"), he would have thought twice before presenting a wider stage for Serj Tankian and his fellow Armenian band members to rant away with their messages of hatred.

Another Armenian-American Heavy Metal Group


The ironically named "Integrity" is also another Armenian-American band spreading messages of hate, led by "enigmatic lead singer and creator, Dwid." They've been around since 1990 or so, but luckily their hardcore brand of music has put them outside mainstream ears. Here's a sample:


Armenian persecution

All I can think about is revenge
The slaughter inside my head never ends
And to all who deny this sin
Bab eed Janed cach-nem

Ethnic genocide
One million died
Cries went unheard in 1915
No one remembers, no one believes
Some turks deny, but they fucking lie

America knew, but as usual
They just stood by and listened to the cries
"Why interfere? There's no money here.
Who are the Armenians... who fucking cares if they're alive.
Who cares if they fucking survive."

Forced in the desert and into sandy graves
Children were murdered while their mothers were raped
Babies were thrown in the air and impaled on swords
Nothing but death from the turkish hordes

Dispersal took place
Most met a cruel end
Now we are few but we'll always be true
To the Armenians that we will defend

First they were bound, then split with an axe
They juggled their heads, and the turks laughed
Set on fire like a human torch
Many were nailed alive to the floor


That's gratitude for you... Americans did so much for the Armenians, and notice how this lyricist chooses to repay them. At least Serj from the other group credited the Americans with saving his grandfather's life.

The first line just about sums it up, regarding the Armenians' way of life: "All I can think about is revenge." It was true for Soghoman Tehlirian, who was encouraged by visions of his mother telling him to kill, leading him to his unpunished murder of Talat Pasha in 1921... it was true for Gurgen (Karakin) Yanikian who betrayed his country as an Ottoman teenager by joining the Russian Army, and then assassinated two Turkish diplomats in 1973 at the ripe old revengeful age of 78, beginning a wave of Armenian terror that lasted for many years... and it begins with every Armenian birth, when the baby is taught to hate Turks, a hatred supported even in Armenian churches.

Is it any wonder George W. Bush said to the Armenians on April 24, 2002, the date of the commemoration of their beloved "Genocide": "Demonizing others lays (the) foundation for a dark cycle of hatred"?

It is unfortunate the message of one of the few, straight-thinking Armenians, Robert John (Hovhanes) is simply not heard... when he said in an Armenian newspaper (The Reporter, August 2, 1984): "The Armenian, the Jew or the African should not damage their development with a continual conditioning of hate; neither should spurious guilt be vented upon others. These negative preoccupations and obsessions are obstructing our evolution."

Anyone who keeps supporting the Armenian Falsified Genocide becomes a party to perpetuating the Armenians' unfortunate psychological problem, and their raison d'etre: this unending wave of hatred.

...Ask your Armenian terrorist blood brothers back in your 150 year-old ancient home land to pay their bills. Armenia borrowed $50 million dollars at 5% interest in 1919 from the United States government and mooched another $40 million from American Christians in that same year whom your forefathers then attacked for not giving them more of American church money. You Armenians haven't paid one red cent to us "ordinary citizens" to repay this loan yet that was made to you in good faith. However, you love the Russians so much you borrowed $100 million dollars from them in recent years and you repay these loans. WHY CAN'T YOU PAY YOUR DEBTS TO THE UNITED STATES SINCE YOU CAN PAY OFF THE RUSSIANS? We Americans have given and loaned your tiny state more dollars than the Russians have given and loaned you.

Judge Sam Weems reminds an anonymous Armenian hate-mail writer of only one generous act of the Americans, which the ungrateful Armenians not only have chosen to forget, but have reneged on... since their policy is, "What have you done for me lately?" (June 9, 2002)

The Dweeb... that is, "Dwid," the Armenian lyricist from INTEGRITY, may not have been off-the-mark when he accused the Americans of concluding, "There's no money here"; of course there will be no money for the Americans, once the Armenians steal and sucker the money out of American taxpayer pockets. (Over $1.5 billion in the short time since Armenia rose from the ashes of the Soviet Union. That's with a "b.")

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