The British went into Kenya in 1895 with no complaints from the Christian West that first started making moral judgments on what was widely proclaimed as Armenian massacres in their press. After beginning colonization in earnest, the British declared Kenya a "white man's country" in 1915, the year we are told there was a genocide against the Armenians. After conducting themselves as what Malcolm X has called a "vulturous society," some Kenyans got tired of the master-slave relationship, and began a four-year rebellion in 1952. Their terrorist group, the Mau Mau, followed similar strategies to Armenian Dashnaks and Hunchaks.
Relentless propaganda has allowed for many to believe that the Ottomans committed a "genocide" against their Armenians, as much as there is no evidence for intent, as required by the 1948 U.N. Convention for Genocide. Meanwhile, hardly anyone is familiar with the Mau Mau story. (A story which made some recent headlines, when President Barack Obama took away Winston Churchill's bust from the White House; Obama's grandfather was one of the victims of Churchill's brutal crackdown.)
This video offers a comparison to the way the British handled their Kenyans, at an age that was relatively more modern than the 1915 years, with the way the supposedly genocidal Ottomans handled their rebellious Armenians . .
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29.11.10
3180) Video: British and Kenyans [Mau Mau] vs. Ottomans and Armenians
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26.11.10
3179) Video: The Role of Truth in the Armenian Genocide
Why are people so quick to accept the flimsiest hearsay substituting as evidence for what is called the Armenian genocide? It's not just Armenians conditioned by their parents, teachers and churches insuring that new generations will keep fighting for their rewarding and emotional enterprise, but non-Armenians as well, some of whom consider themselves honorable and intellectual, and who would never dream of making such a serious charge without ensuring the evidence is solidly in place.Certainly anti-Turkish prejudice plays a part, but the reason why the truth plays such an alarming second fiddle lies deeper. Helping us to understand is a clip from THE INTERNATIONAL, starring Naomi Watts and Clive Owens.
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00:59:28,481 --> 00:59:32,150
- What are you trying to do here, Ella?
- I'm doing my job.
00:59:32,318 --> 00:59:34,945
You have any idea of the shit-storm you've gotten me into?
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- We're just trying to get to the truth.
- I get it.
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You need to remember there's what people wanna hear, wanna believe ...
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... there's everything else,
then there's the truth.
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And since when is that okay?
I can't believe you're saying this to me.
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The truth means responsibility, Arnie.
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Exactly, which is why everyone dreads it.
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25.11.10
3178) A Success Story In Media Relations: ATAA’s New Website www.mediawatchnow.com
By: Ergun KIRLIKOVALI,
President elect, ATAA, November 24, 2010
In their first meeting of the board of directors a year and a half ago, the newly elected administrators of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (1), were hard at work with a long list of items on their agenda. Mindful of the urgent need to establish a clear division of labor, they started discussing issues and challenges facing them that ranged from membership, fundraising, resources, budgets, commissions, and organizing many events of social, cultural, and/or academic significance and others. One among them, however, seemed to stand out: media.
MEDIA COVERAGE
How do we, Turkish Americans, get fair, balanced, objective, well-informed, and timely coverage in media of issues that matter to Turkish Americans? . .
How do we respond to deliberate and ceaseless defamations in media of Turkish history, culture, and heritage, mostly if not entirely, perpetrated by Armenian lobbyists, activists, and/or fanatics, as well as their paid or unpaid cohorts, proxies, and/or allies?
How do we encourage a more informed, positive, and reverential coverage in media of Turkey and Turkey-USA relations?
How do we use the state-of-the-art technologies to achieve all this rapidly while involving an ever growing number of ATAA members?
Cognizant of my work with media and my more than five thousand letters sent to media over the more than three decades, President Gunay Evinch, turned to me and asked if I, as the president elect, would be interested in spearheading this new mission. My answer was quick and short: “It would be my pleasure.”
PARAMETERS
Thus was established in July of 2009, one of the most effective tools to watch and respond to the media: www.mediawatchnow.com.
First, I had to create the parameters of this task, then gather around me those capable individuals who could help me launch this effort, and finally fuel growth by encouraging more volunteers to join this move. Here were the parameters on which www.mediawatchnow.com was founded:
1- Selected items to cover: Internet is an infinite cyberspace with millions of articles added daily. Since we cannot be all thing to all people, we had to be selective in what we cover. I decided to focus my attention on the most nagging of the problems we face today: the Turkish-Armenian conflict that is deliberately misrepresented as genocide by the fraudulent and deceptive Armenian lobby. While other issues like TRNC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,) PKK (The Kurdish terrorist Group,) Turkey’s membership to EU, and more, could also be covered, as needed and justified, none of these issues were popping up as frequently as the bogus Armenian genocide. Unscrupulous genocide peddlers and their fellow crooks had to be checked decisively and continuously.
2- Selected responses to give: Each item selected above had to be analysed and talking points developed. The registered volunteers then would log on to first read the article and then use the talking points provided to respond to it. Thus, the entire process could take only a few minutes. One doesn’t need to search for the article, or the link, or the material to write. One could respond to as many articles that given day as one would like. To save our limited resources, crude Armenian propaganda sites—including but not limited to panorama.am, aysor, PanARMENIAN.Net, Information-Analytic Agency NEWS.am, Asbarez, Armenian Weekly, Armenian Mirror Spectator, and others—were simply ignored, since we know what the Armenians claim and, frankly, do not care about their lies. But we do care about what third parties and the mainstream media say.
3- An endless calendar provided: Starting with first day some 500 days ago, one can log on to this site and click on any given day since this site’s inception to find out what articles attacked Turkey most that day and see if one’s responses were posted or how others responded. Thus, this feature would provide an easy tracking and follow-up capabilities to the volunteer.
4: Emergency response feature: While the website is mostly allowed to run on its own devices, some monitoring is both possible and, sometimes, necessary. First, some Armenian Diaspora fanatics who manage to register under fake aliases to sabotage and/or derail this project need to be weeded out constantly, for the success of this project. Next, volunteers need to be urged to focus on a certain article and send responses immediately, especially when it comes to voting, response-by-deadlines, and/or severely racist and dishonest articles. The latter need to be pounced on immediately, decisively, and forcefully, to discourage future use of Armenian-supplied disinformation and to hint at Turkish-American presence reaching economy of scale.
5: Other.
Next a group of young and brilliant Turkish American website designers, led by Zafer Acar—the owner and operator of many websites—was called to action. Mr. Acar and his team whipped it up in record time. The rest is history.
Today, if anyone, Turkish-American or not, thinks that Turkish American presence in the media has curiously increased recently and more responses by Turkish Americans are posted daily in the blogosphere every day, the one should know that ATAA’s website, www.mediawatchnow.com and its hundreds of registered and dedicated volunteers must have something to do with it.
Notes:
(1) The Assembly of Turkish American Associations, known mostly by its easily recognizable acronym A.T.A.A., is a non-profit NGO and an umbrella organization established in 1979 in Washington DC, USA, to combat disinformation about and defamation of Turkey and Turkish-Americans. To become a member or to make tax-deductible donations, please click on: www.ataa.org
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24.11.10
3177) Video: Mata Hari And The Armenians
What possible connection could Mata Hari, the free spirit widely believed to have been guilty of spying for Germany in WWI, have to Ottoman-Armenians, the ones whose descendants are religiously taught, with no regard for evidence, to have suffered from a genocide?
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23.11.10
3176) Video: Brigadier General Leonid Bolhovitinov Report

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65 page report by Brigadier General Leonid Bolhovitinov was discovered documenting atrocities committed by Armenian militias against unarmed civilian Ottoman Muslims in eastern Anatolia during WWI.
Bolhovitinov's report explains how the British fomented ultra-nationalist fervor among Ottoman Armenians, who had before then lived peacefully with their Ottoman neighbors, to induce them to violence and revolt against the Ottoman regime.
However, the hatred the British instilled in the ultra-nationalist segment of Ottoman Armenians was so potent that the Entente Powers no longer could control the Armenian guerilla bands they had armed and incited to violence.
"We should not believe in the death tolls that the Armenians give. The number of missing people has been exaggerated in the memos distributed by the [Armenian agitator's] Dashnak party and there is no doubt that they are politically- motivated. Those Armenian gangs, who triggered the slaughters, are the ones who should be blamed for those missing,"
-Bolhovitinov.
A VERY SHORT HISTORY LESSON . .
WWI hostilities involving the Ottoman Empire ended with the Armistice of Mudros, signed Oct. 30, 1918. The Armistice guaranteed Ottomans all lands possessed when the Armistice was signed. The Armistice also required the Ottoman military and citizens to disarm immediately. As the Ottomans disarmed, in breach of the Armistice, British military forces pushed north and conquered Mosul and Kirkuk, land the Ottomans possessed when the Armistice was signed. Why? Oil.
British forces also occupied Istanbul, the Ottoman capitol. Italian forces landed in the southwest and moved north. To ensure the Italians didn't take too much, Greece invaded Turkey with Britain's support, landing in Izmir on May 15, 1919 and began moving east. Meanwhile, France and the "French" Armenian Legion invaded southeast Anatolia to "liberate" it from its majority Ottoman Muslim citizens, committing massacres along the way.
The Entente Powers planned to divide Ottoman lands among themselves and push the millions of indigenous Muslim Ottoman citizens into a small piece of land in the middle of Anatolia. The Picot-Sykes agreement evidences that the Entente Powers planned as early as 1916 to occupy and divide Anatolia among themselves.
Nationalist forces were formed under former Ottoman military leaders, like Ataturk, Ismet Inonu and Kazim Karabekir, as a reaction and to counter the invading foreign armies.
Anatolia was invaded and occupied AFTER WWI with the intent to partition it as the spoils of war among the Entente Powers, Greece and Armenians. This is a very important piece of history in relation to Armenian genocide claims because the effort to arm Armenians and use them to obtain control over southeastern Anatolia and topple the Ottoman regime started long before WWI, was funded and supported by England, France, Russia and the U.S.
The Armenians lost that war. Now, they call it genocide in an effort to obtain through political pressure and "moral" oppobrium lands they could not obtain by force and in which they were never the majority.
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22.11.10
3175) Video: Taner Akcam Story: From Terrorist To Armenian Propagandist
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Related posts:
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/03/3023-review-essay-armenian-question-by.html
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2009/01/2698-review-essay-scrutiny-of-akcams.html
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2009/03/2777-minnesota-university-taner-akcams.html
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Labels: Armenian TERROR, S, Taner AKCAM, Videos
20.11.10
3174) Dro (Drastamat Kanayan): Armenia's First Defense Minister of Modern Era (Limited Book Preview) / Innocence or Heroism of DRO by Sukru Aya
Dro (Drastamat Kanayan): Armenia's First Defense Minister of the Modern Era
By Antranig Chalabian, Indo-European Publishing, 2010, 328 pages
Subjects: History / Europe / Russia & the Former Soviet Union
"DRO" General Drastamat Kanayan
His reputation made by massacring women and children of Muslim villages during World War I, the general put his "skills" to work for Adolf Hitler a few decades later. Commander of the infamous 812th Armenian battalion during World War II; possibly nicknamed as the 'Jew hunter' by the Nazis. Condemned to be shot by a firing squad of Stalin's goons, the Diaspora Armenians smuggled him into the USA by reportedly bribing INS (Immigration) functionaries. He lived in the United States until his death in Massachusetts, in 1956.
Armenian-Americans raised almost a quarter of a million dollars in just two days in order to dig up the Armenian Nazi General, flying his body back to Armenia to be reburied there with full state and military honors. His Holiness Karekin II, Supreme Patriarch and Catholicos of All Armenians conducted the ceremony in May 29, 2000, with Armenia's President, Robert Kocharian, in attendance.
The holy man said, "Only words are vain, deeds are needed with the words. Let his return to the Motherland reawaken the evaluation of this truth in the souls of the Armenian people. Let Drastamat Kanayan's and his companions' eternal memory give birth among our people to new faith towards victories in the spirit of the devoted service to the Motherland."
NICE role model to serve as an inspiration for Armenia's youth..! . .
Dro (Drastamat Kanayan), the valiant, selfless fedayee for the survival of the Armenian nation. Among his exploits: the assassination of Nakashidze, the viceroy of the tsar in the Caucasus. Victories in battles against the Turks, specially in Bash Aparan, during the battle of Sartarapat, which prevented the total destruction of Armenia in the aftermath of WWI. His Machiavellian 'collaboration with nazism' to save the Soviet Armenian POWs and the civilian Armenian population of Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe and Russia from certain annihilation, even as he cautioned his compatriots in Soviet Armenia against any untimely uprising against Soviet rule
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p.50: “From you, people of Van, I demand 2,000 soldiers to be our rear guard, when we advance toward Mush. Until we occupy Bitlis and Mush, Van will never be secure. In this province there are approximately 10.000 armed regular and irregular riflemen. “
p.51: May 3, 1915, was the first day of victor in Van’s heroic battle. I was at the house of my uncle’s daughter…”
p.64: “By the decree of the Viceroy, the Armenian volunteer regiments were demobilized. In their stead were formed Armenian musketeer companies. Dro was given to join the musketeer regiment with the rank of officer. He refused. Instead of getting autonomy, Armenian provinces would be joined to Russia.”
p.76: The Situation in Turkey and the Caucasus in Early 1918
The 200.000 Eastern Armenian conscripts serving in the tsarist armies had also returned to the Caucasus or Russia – careless and indifferent as to the fate of Western Armenia. Their cohesion of integrity of the 30.000 strong army under the command of General Antranik, consisting of Turkish (Western) Armenian soldiers was also undermined by the political upheaval in Russia.
p.77: The 320.000 strong tsarist army of the Caucasus front had left the entire stores of munitions, food, uniforms and so on, to the Western-Armenian National Guard army, under the command of Antranik. Thus the Russians had left to the Armenians 300 cannons, 3.000 machine guns, one billion bullets, 100.000 rifles, large supplies of food, clothing e4tc.
There was horrific famine in Turkey in 1917-1918, 600.000 out of 800.000 strong Turkish imperial army had deserted, invading villages in hopes of securing a piece of bread. Richard Hovannisian estimates the number of Turkish army deserters at half a million as a consequence of the famine, which approximates the figure given above.
Vehip Pasha was able to assembled only 400 – 500 soldiers in front of Erzurum, a division “torn to shreds” with half starving and half naked soldiers, whereas the Armenians, as we saw, had much more manpower, and many more munitions and stores behind the ramparts and barbed wire of Erzurum. The Armenians had not seen so much munitions in their history, whereas the Turks had not been as weak in their history, from a military as well as economic perspective, as they were in early 1918
p.89: The Heroic Battle of Sartarapat
The Turks had assigned altogether nine well-armed divisions to the Caucasus, 55 – 60.000 infantrymen, for military operations. Five of these nine divisions were assigned to fight the Armenians, around 30.000 soldiers. The Armenians were able to pull together 20.000 rifles against this force.
p..94: A dispute between Dro and Silikian arose about this military strategic perspective. Silikian said “I appoint you commander of Bash-Aparan” Dro replied, “I will go wherever you want, just do not divide the army. Let us with full force attack the Turkish forces advancing toward Sartarapat and massacre them. What is our information? We are informed that they have altogether two battalions. Even if hey reach Ashtarak, we can massacre them”
p. 126 As of the spring of 1919, with the destruction of the Turks in the TransCaucasus, Armenia became a de facto independent and sovereign state. The people, of whom 150.000 had succumbed to the horrific famine of the winter 1918-1919 as well as cholera and typhoid epidemics (as for the whole year around 200.000 victims) had by the fall of 1919, with famine and epidemics lightening up and the delivery of flour and grain sent by the United States of America, reached a degree of relief from crisis.
p. 127
In December 1919, Dro reached Goris from Gharalagez. His expeditionary forces consisted of 400 infantry and 300 swordsmen. They also had two cannons.
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19.11.10
3173) Ahmet Rüstem Bey, Original in French -La Guerre Mondiale Et La Question Turco-Arménienne
Published in Bern, 1918 - Ahmet Rüstem Bey; 1862-1935
In 1914 Ahmet Rüstem Bey was nominated as Ambassador to Washington, where he started his duty on the 24th of June with the presentation of his confidence letter to the US President Woodrow Wilson. He was the first Ottoman Ambassador in Washington. Only four days later Archduke Ferdinand of Austro-Hungary was assassinated in Sarajevo and WWI started. In the summer of 1914 the US and Turkey were still outside the war. As soon as Ahmet Rüstem Bey took the office he had two shocking news.
The first one was that Britain refused to submit the two Ottoman warships, which were built in Britain for the Ottomans, despite the fact that they were paid fully.
The second shock came from the United States. ..Continue. . .
Ahmet Rüstem Bey, Original Version in French -La Guerre Mondiale Et La Question Turco-Arménienne
English Version
Ahmet Rustem Bey, The World War and the Turco-Armenian Question, Berne, 1918
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17.11.10
3172) Armenian National And Revolutionary Songs
An Educational SongBook Prepared For The Armenian Youth . . .
. . . With Some Exceptional Role Models
Harach, Nahadag
This song was the march of Armenian Volunteers. These units served with the Russian Army against the Turks in WWI....
Verkerov Lee
This song dedicated to the memory of Bedros Seremjian and highlights the cooperation between Armenians and Macedonians. 1895 agreement between ARF and Bulgarian controlled Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation was an example of ARF policy of cooperating with other anti-Turkish nationalities and many Armenian Fedayees including Seremjian were trained by the Bulgarian Army. Seremjian fought at the battles of Van and Khanasor. He was captured by Turkey in 1900 and hanged in 1901 . . .
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16.11.10
3171) Craft Sinister: Diplomatico-Political History Of Great War & Its Causes By American War & Political Correspondent George A Schreiner: E-Book
Diplomacy & International Politics & Diplomatists As Seen At Close Range
It is not true that Western sources support mostly the “genocide” allegations.
US journalist George Abel Schreiner, who traveled extensively in Anatolia, wrote that “Turkish ineptness, more than intentional brutality, was responsible for the hardships the Armenian subjected to” (The Craft Sinister: A Diplomatic History of the Great War and Its Causes, New York, G. Albert, 1920, pp. 124-125). Read More . .
George A. Schreiner, American War/Political Correspondent, "The Craft Sinister: A Diplomatico-Political History of the Great War and its Causes, (G. Albert Gayer, New York, 1920)"; Schreiner criticized Ambassador Morgenthau in a letter, aware of the Ambassador's fabrications in "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story." Read more . .
It wasn't just the Germans who could not let go of their religious and racial bigotry against the Turks, accepting at face value the horror stories of their missionary and Armenian co-religionists. American war correspondent George Abel Schreiner detailed the workings of German bias in this revealing excerpt from 'The Craft Sinister' 1920.
The Germans' Austrian allies are also on record for echoing the same "Terrible Turk" sentiments, regarding the Armenian "genocide." While the Germans had enough wars with the Ottoman Turks through the centuries to not have developed the friendliest predisposition, it was likely worked more into the Austrian soul that the Turks were barbarians. The Ottoman Turks, after all, twice stormed the gates of Vienna, leading to the development of the croissant (each time the Austrians bit into the crescent-shaped pastry, it was like "giving it" to the Turks.) Read More . .
George A. Schreiner in his "The Craft Sinister: A Diplomatico-Political History of the Great War and its Causes, (G. Albert Gayer, New York, 1920)" writes about Ambassador Morgenthau¹s misleadings of the American government. ("It is to be hoped that the future historian will not give too much heed to the drivel one finds in the books of diplomatist-authors.") The distinguished foreign correspondent (having served in Turkey from February through the end of 1915) wrote Morgenthau a biting December 11,1918 letter, criticizing him for the fallacies in his unethically written book (Ambassador Morgenthau's Story).
It seems to me Morgenthau let his ego run away with him, enjoying the notion that his fellow Americans looked upon the ambassador as the savior of a Christian people. The intensity with which he communicated his thoughts (as with the article above) provides a strong clue... he must have liked the fact that he came across as a hero. There are a good number of passages in his ghost-written book where his heroic deeds and attitude is presented (or as Schreiner mocked, his "omniscience and omnipotence"), even though some of his letters and diaries paint an altogether different picture.
For example, there is a point where he forces himself on the Turkish leaders whenever he wants:
"I shall not be denied an interview," I replied. "I shall come up to the cabinet room at four o'clock. If you refuse to receive me then, I shall insist on going into the council room and discussing the matter with the whole Cabinet. I shall be interested to learn whether the Turkish Cabinet will refuse to receive the American Ambassador."
Immediately after which, Enver Pasha is heard to gasp over the phone. As always, Morgenthau gets what he wishes. Read More . .
Perhaps we owe the survival of the Schreiner letter in the Morgenthau material to the veiled threat with which it ends. When Schreiner states: "of diplomatic events on the Bosphorus more will be heard as soon as I can get at my notes and documents now in Europe," Morgenthau may have taken it as a sign of Schreiner's intent to place before the public the kinds of charges found in the letter. If that was the case, his fears were not rewarded. Schreiner did indeed write a book attacking Wilson's habit of sending untrained individuals as Ambassadors to European capitals in wartime, and, as might be expected, Morgenthau is one of his case studies of this practice. However, The Craft Sinister, as his book was titled, adds little detail to the charges contained in the letter. 117 This despite a comment in his 'Preface' which leads the reader to think otherwise:
"It is to be hoped that the future historian will not give too much heed to the drivel one finds in the books of diplomatist-authors. I at least have found these books remarkably unreliable on the part played by the author. It would seem that these literary productions are on a par with the 'blue books' published by governments for the edification of the public and their own amusement, as in some cases I will show."
What Schreiner contents himself with doing, in a chapter titled "Diplomacy in Turkey," is to detail the close relationship which existed between Morgenthau and his German counterpart, Baron Wangenheim, and, likewise, the very warm friendship in which Morgenthau held Enver Pasha. He prefaces his remarks on the Wangenheim Morgenthau relationship by saying:
"But the books of diplomatists must not be taken too seriously. The ambassador who avers that from the very inception of trouble he was with this or with that side may be doing nothing more than presenting just one side of his attitude, with slight exaggerations, possibly. The fact in this case is, Mr. Morgenthau was well liked by the German diplomatists in Pera, and, long after the outbreak of the War, was not averse to being known as a friend of Baron Wangenheim."
George A. Schreiner, The Craft Sinister: A Diplomacy Political History of the Great War and its Causes-Diplomacy and International Politics and Diplomatists as Seen at Close Range by an American Newspaperman who Serve in Central Europe as War and Political Correspondent. New York (G. Albert Geyer),1920. For American diplomacy in Turkey, see: pp.110-135 in particular. (Hereafter: Schreiner, Craft Sinister).
Schreiner, Craft Sinister: p. xxi
Schreiner, Craft Sinister: p.126. Read More . .
Craft Sinister by Schreiner-Part I
Craft Sinister by Schreiner-Part II
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3170) Armenian Revolutionary Movement by Louise Nalbandian: Free E-Book
Armenian Historian LOUISE NALBANDIAN published her analysis of the Armenian Revolutionary Movement in 1963, several years before the Armenian lobbies began to spread their one-sided propaganda all over the world. The correlation between her matter-of-fact narration and the timing thereof should be considered in no way coincidental.
The Development of Armenian Political Parties Through the Nineteenth Century. Nalbandian talks about the founding of the Hunchakian Revolutionary Party and its adopted methods.
History of the Hunchakian Revolutionary Party, 1887-1890
"The Hunchakian Revolutionary Party was . . .
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15.11.10
3169) From Berlin To Bagdad And Babylon By John Augustine Zahm - Free E-Book
Related post: An Honest Clergyman On The Armenians
The author of the passage below is identified as "Rev. J. A. Zahm [John Augustine Zahm], C.S.C., Ph.D., LL.D. (H.J. Mozans)"; in his book, he described himself as a student, not a tourist, when he undertook his travels. The Catholic Encyclopedia identified Zahm as an "author of scientific works and professor of physics." He became a center of controversy in the Catholic world, for his courage and honesty, and for writing books such as Evolution and Dogma. He also championed women... bravo! The following excerpt is from the reverend's book, "From Berlin to Bagdad and Babylon," D. Appleton and Co., 1922, pp. 210-213.
Armenians as "Political Mischief Makers"
Still again the hue and cry was raised in Europe and America that the soulless Turk, always the Turk, only the Turk, was the guilty one. Armenian agitators, Armenian jacks-in-office, Armenian revolutionary committees provoking the Turks to retaliate on their offenders in order to force the intervention of the Great powers[19]. These political mischief makers go scot-free while the ever vilified Osmanli is pilloried before the world as a monster of iniquity and a demon incarnate . . .
From Berlin To Bagdad And Babylon By John Augustine Zahm Part I
From Berlin To Bagdad And Babylon By John Augustine Zahm Part IIJohn A. Zahm, C.S.C.
John Augustine Zahm was born on June 11, 1851 in New Lexington, Ohio, where he began his formal education in a one-room log schoolhouse. His mother was a grandniece of Major General Edward Braddock, military instructor of George Washington. With roots struck deep in American soil, Zahm would later distinguish himself in the company of James Cardinal Gibbons and Archbishops John Ireland and John J. Keane as an Americanist, an enthusiast in the cause of Americanizing the Catholic Church in the United States.
Yet Zahm never excluded the Old World from his vision for the New. From an early age he devoted himself to studying the classics. When he came to Notre Dame in 1867, he enrolled in the Classical Course, the normal formation for aspiring priests.
Most people, however, knew Zahm as a scientist. At Notre Dame Zahm came under the influence of Joseph Carrier, C.S.C., who was Director of the Science Museum and the Library and Professor of Chemistry and Physics. Carrier showed Zahm that scientific research and its promise for progress were not antagonistic to the ideals of intellectual and moral culture endorsed by the Church. Zahm graduated and entered the novitiate of the Congregatio a Sancta Cruce (Congregation of Holy Cross) in 1871. The next fall Carrier took Zahm on as his associate and assigned him the duties of Curator of the Museum, Librarian, and Assistant in Chemistry, Physics and Natural Sciences. When Carrier left Notre Dame three years later, Zahm was made Professor and Co-Director of the Science Department. That same year, on June 4, 1875, he was ordained to the priesthood--a ripe 23 years of age.
Zahm expanded the science department and museum at Notre Dame. He purchased the latest equipment and used it to great effect in lecture demonstrations. He spent the summers travelling throughout the United States and Europe, recruiting students and taking note of recent inventions. In 1884, thanks to Zahm's aggressive campaigning, the University built a modernly equipped Science Building. Still greater responsibilities came the following year, when on top of all his other duties he was named University Vice President.
In 1892, Andrew Morrissey, C.S.C., replaced Zahm as Vice President, leaving him freer to lecture and to write. That year his first book, Sound and Musicappeared in print. It would be his only work in physics. His subsequent publications took up a different theme: the relation of science and religion.
During the next four years, Zahm participated in the emerging Catholic Summer School movement, which aimed to introduce Catholic laity to contemporary intellectual issues. His stunning lectures, for which he was dubbed the "St. George Mivart of America," brought him national fame. Zahm compiled his notes into book form and published them under the title Evolution and Dogma in 1896. In the volume, Zahm defended certain aspects of evolutionary theory as true, and argued, moreover, that even the great Church teachers Thomas Aquinas and Augustine taught the theory in germ.
In April, 1896, the Congregation of Holy Cross needed a new Procurator General in Rome, and Zahm was the preferred choice. His keen interest in Dante would develop during these years abroad.
Zahm's first act as Procurator was to secure approval for the proposed Holy Cross College in Washington, D.C., a new Catholic center for higher learning that he invested with great personal devotion. If Notre Dame would revert to its origins as a boarding school under Morrissey, who had succeeded to its presidency in 1893, then Zahm could at least pursue his educational crusade through Holy Cross College.
A progressive Pope Leo XIII had awarded Zahm the degree of Doctor Philosophy in 1895 to encourage his work as a Christian scientist (Photo of Zahm in Rome, 1895). But that was before the publication of Evolution and Dogma and the appointment to Rome. Now Zahm faced opposition and possible censure by the Holy See. Only the politically astute interventions of well placed American clergy, most notably Denis O'Connell, spared Zahm and his order humiliation.
The timing of the rescue was crucial, for at the height of conflict Zahm was recalled to Notre Dame to serve as the Holy Cross Provincial for the United States. As Provincial, Zahm tried once again to transform Notre Dame into a great university like Heidelberg or Bologna. He erected buildings and added to the campus art gallery and library. During these years he purchased about 200 volumes a year on Dante, amassing a significant collection which included most of the Renaissance editions.
In 1906, however, these opportunities came to an end. Fr. Morrissey successfully campaigned against Zahm's renewal as Provincial, arguing that he had tried to expand Notre Dame too quickly and had run the order into serious debt.
Zahm was crushed. But after a few months he resumed writing and travelling. He displayed an appetite for adventure, and if there were a single epithet that could sum up his activities during the last several years of his life it would have to be explorer. Zahm's book titles document his itineraries: Up the Orinoco and Down the Magdelena, Along the Andes and Down the Amazon. The travel monographs, all concerning South America, were published under the pen name H. J. Mozans, an a pseudonym derivved from the way he signed his name as a youth: Jno. S. (Stanislaus, an abandoned middle name) Zahm.
The author's identity was not long hidden, and some knew the secret all along. Theodore Roosevelt was one of the insiders. Roosevelt knew Zahm from his days in the White House. Their shared love for Dante formed the first basis of their friendship; now South America became their primary topic of discussion. In 1913, Zahm and the Colonel embarked on a major expedition through the interior of the continent. Zahm had hoped to return home to take, in his own words, an honored place among the great missionary explorers, but hardship and danger cut short the journey (Photo of Zahm and Roosevelt).
Zahm returned to Holy Cross College to write. His last projects included two volumes designed to appeal to women. Woman in Science which he sent to press prior to his 1913 expedition, depicted the historical struggle of women to advance intellectually. In 1917, Great Inspirers appeared. In more temperate tones it sketched the lives of four women who inspired St. Jerome and Dante. Two more books were planned: an historical and archaeological study of the Holy Land for biblical scholars and a definitive life of Dante for English speakers. Zahm died in 1921 on route to the Middle East. His manuscripts for the book From Berlin to Baghdad and Babylon were assembled and published posthumously. The Dante biography was never begun.
Cool yet persuasive, sober minded and scrupulously pious, John Zahm was a man of many and varied ambitions, most of which eluded his grasp. But grasp he always did. .
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Denial Of An Ugly Past Is Holding Turkey Back by Colin Tatz
November 8, 2010, Sydney Morning Herald/ “National Times”
The idea that Australia was born as a nation on Gallipoli's shores is now deeply cemented in our history books and national psyche. We are about to see the annual holding of hands by the former combatants on Armistice Day, when thousands will visit the "sacred site". Turks and Australians will join in understandable commemoration but less comprehensible celebration; and friendship societies will become tearful and lyrical during this anniversary of the shedding of brotherly blood. . .
But intruding on this mourning ritual is the growing world recognition of the Ottoman (and, later, Kemalist) Turkish genocide committed between 1915 and 1922. Some 26 nation states and more than 50 regional governments, including NSW and South Australia, formally recognise the Turkish attempts to annihilate 3 million Armenians and possibly 1 million Pontian Greeks and Christian Assyrians. At least 1.5 million Armenians were killed by bayoneting, beheading, bullets, butchering, crucifixion, drowning, elementary gas chambers, forced death marches, hanging, hot horseshoes, medical experiments, and other unprintable atrocities... .
Open Reply By Sukru Aya To Colin Tatz On Denial Of An Ugly Past Is Holding Turkey Back
Above Reply Has Been Sent to Professor Colin Tatz ( colintatz at gmail dot com & colin dot tatz at anu dot edu dot au )
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Turkish Ambassador to Australia Oguz Ozge responds to Professor Tatz
November 16, 2010
What really happened to Armenians living under the Ottoman Empire in 1915, during the First World War is a matter of controversy. Armenian diaspora claims that the events of 1915 come within the realms of "genocide", whereas Turks argue that in no way can those events be considered as such. Until the events of 1915 are legally determined by a competent international court under the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide or the Armenians and Turks come to a reconciliation over the controversy, the issue will remain a contentious one.
In a recent National Times article Professor Colin Tatz apparently sides with the Armenian diaspora against Turkey as far as the events of 1915 are concerned. I do not intend responding to all the spurious arguments by Professor Tatz except for getting one important fact right. Professor Tatz's claim that "some 26 nation states and more than 50 regional governments, including NSW and South Australia, 'formally recognise the Turkish attempts to annihilate . . ." is misleading. It is a fact that 21 national parliaments and some regional assemblies have so far adopted resolutions favouring the Armenian arguments. The resolutions by legislative bodies are of a political nature and not binding on the governments. Consequently the claim of "formal recognition" by national states is not true and no single government has so far done so. Under what circumstances of wheeling and dealing those resolutions are passed in parliaments need not be elaborated here.
We are convinced that the events of 1915 are not a matter for legislators to consider because we take "genocide" very seriously. That is why we believe that historians from Turkey, Armenia and third countries should come together to ascertain the facts.
Last but not least, I wish to point out that in the past few years new claims have emerged whereby Greeks and Assyrians were also included in the list of victims by the Ottoman Empire. The scope of the so-called "genocide" list has now been further extended so as to cover the Christian population living under the Ottoman Empire. As an extension of that line of thinking it would have been misleading to exclude Anzac soldiers from such list, if the Christians had fallen victim to the so-called "genocide". That is why a number of persons have very recently started alleging that Anzac prisoners of war were subjected to ill-treatment in camps around Gallipoli. We should not let those ill-founded arguments damage the long relationship that has been forged between Australia and Turkey out of adversity in Gallipoli.
Open Letter to SMH/National Times of Australia on Prof Colin Tatz
17 November 2010
Dear Editor,
Prof. Colin Tatz, a visiting fellow at Australian National University, like many others who write about the Armenian issue with a totally biased view and to further their own agenda, has made many erroneous statements in his recent article, ‘’Denial of an ugly past is holding Turkey back’’, (Nov 8, 2010.) First of all, Turkey is already a modern democratic society and the fact that Turkey has played a role in the establishment of Australia as a nation at Gallipoli’s shores is accepted by many Australians and others. This is being demonstrated at an exhibition in Ankara, focusing on Ataturk and the Gallipoli Campaign, as part of a 10 year program to celebrate this affirmation on the 100th anniversary of this in 2015.
Second, Tatz ignores the fact that the Armenian issue was created by the west in order to break up the Ottoman Empire which harmed both the Armenians and the Turks. It is not only the Turks, as Turkish Amb. Oguz Ozge, stated in his letter to the Times, (Nov. 16, 2010) object to the labeling of massacres as genocide, since many Armenian Turks, foreign academicians and students in many countries, such as Prof. Justin McCharty, in America, many university students such as Maxime Gaugin in France, and others, have expressed views which support the Turkish thesis.
The enlightenment of Armenians along with other minorities in Turkey began with the establishment of schools by the Missioners all over the Ottoman Empire where the education was minimal. It is a fact that many Armenians educated at these institutions migrated to Europe and America and came back to fight with the rebellious Armenians who only wanted to establish an Armenian state on lands where they were not the majority, which the West promised them.
The Armenians and foreigners who support the genocide claim base this on several books published as either war propaganda or anti-Turkish material. Among these are Toynbee’s shameless ‘’Blue Book’’ and US Amb Morgenthau’s ‘’Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’’, Both, although translated into Turkish, have been proved to be written based on fabricated, false and forged documents and hear-say, especially those invented by some Christian missionaries to bad-mouth the Moslems. The resolutions passed by 26 nation states and 50 regional governments (and countless NGOs that Tatz does not mention) are as a result of support received from the Armenians for various reasons and not the nationals of each country and the influence of the above books and many others like them..
Third, the Armenians in Australia and all over the world should should start looking at the Armenian issue with an open mind and recognize the fact that the Armenians revolted and massacred many Turks going back to the 19th century. These have been all documented in many books and articles, which Tatz seems to ignore. Turks retaliated and massacred Armenians. Armenian rebels attacked Turkish villages while the men were fighting in four corners of the empire and were in the army. Many Armenians joined the Russian forces during the First World War, well over 150,00, and fought against their own government. The Ottomans were forced to re-locate the Armenians due to war conditions. Many returned and joined the French forces during the occupation of Clicia after the First World War and fought against the Turks. And of course, many Armenians in İstanbul, Kayseri and other cities continued with their lives, which is not mentioned by Tatz.
Finally, I would like to make a proposal to all concerned Armenians and Turks and to all NGOs, including the Hrant Dink Foundation, to begin the preparation of a parade across Turkey to commemorate the death of both the Turks and the Armenians before, during and after the First World War, together in 2015, and perhaps together with the Australians. We should stop writing endless articles on a subject that is not fully known according to the experts and politicized and get together to work on building friendship, as some are already doing. Perhaps we can call the parade, ‘’The Parade for Friendship and Peace’’, which can take place in major cities across Turkey and on to Baku and Erivan. Once the friendship is established, than everyone can talk about the issues and help each other to reconcile the differences as friends and not enemies. As ‘’Hopeful’’ commented on the article on Nov 9, ‘’The foreigners should get out of the away and let the Turks and Armenians work out their differences as ‘’neighbors.’’
Yüksel Oktay
İstanbul
Comments
For too long, Australia has brushed over the genocidal past and genocide-denying present of Turkey, a country that continues its relentless pressure to ethnically cleanse the country of all non-Islamic communities and, in the process, lose the heterogenous mix of communities and faiths that made the MIddle East the origin of the world's faiths. Every pressure should be put on the Turkish government to join the rest of the world and recognise its genocidal past.
Robert M Kaplan - November 09, 2010, 8:04AM
Thank you Professor Tatz for such an enlightening article. What most Australians don't know is that following the Great War, Turkish leaders were arrested and found guilty of the mistreatment of the Allied and Anzac POWs. The fate of the Anzac POWs in Turkey was just as tragic as their counterparts in Japan during WW2. But current Australian WW1 historiography is focused on romanticising the Gallipoli battle in order to bring it into line with the current strong economic ties between Turkey and Australia. However, the truth of the Armenian Genocide and the mistreatment of the Anzac POWs has been conveniently erased from the public's collective memory of Gallipoli. Australian Anzac, Sir Thomas White, was one such POW who wrote his experiences in Turkey in a book called "Guests of the Unspeakable "(1928). He documents the atrocious treatment of Anzac POWs as well as the systematic murder of the Armenian people.
Daniel | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 8:08AM
You had me until that little relativistic nugget at the end equating the accidental and partially designed frontier wars of colonisation with the Christian genocides in Turkey.
You also seem to advocate Turkey's entry into the EU. Pigs might fly as well - you'll have revolution across Europe before that happens.
Unfortunately, under the AKP party and the dismantling of Turkey's 'guided democracy' under the Kemalists, this nation is reverting back to previous norms observed during the long Ottoman empire.
..and under this Ottoman empire, the Christian minorities were tolerated under a dhimmi covenant, whereby if they protested their treatment or rebelled against their secondary class, they were liable for pograms and wholesale slaughter.
SH | .... - November 09, 2010, 8:31AM
It is heartening to finally hear a western journalists openly discuss this shameful cover up by the Turkish government. The irony is that the the founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, was quite honest and open about the genocide. It was only later that the curtains came down.
Western states have often colluded with Turkey's holocaust denial out of cynical self interest. And Muslim governments, addicted to a narrative of Muslim victimhood at the hands of the West, are loathe to acknowledge what is a historical fact.
Even in Australia, we have mealy mouthed diplomats and cultural relativists, who use terms like "alleged genocide" or "mass murder" out of a misguided desire to not offend elements within the Australian Turkish community.
Joby | Melbourne - November 09, 2010, 9:32AM
This article misses a number of important facts that are essential to understanding the issue at hand – for one, why not mention that Armenians were trained and armed to the teeth by brotherly Christian Russia? Why not mention that Armenians managed to completely exterminate large Turkish/Kurdish populations a case in point being the city of Van?
There is no doubt that Armenians suffered terribly in WW1, but many others suffered terribly at their hands as well. People need to move on with their life instead of constantly reliving an event that happened 100 years ago.
The worst thing about this whole "article" is that by the end if basically implies that Turks are not "decent" people. How shameful, how disrespectful, how bluntly rude!
There are many other news outlets where biased propaganda can be written.
Australian | North Sydney - November 09, 2010, 9:38AM
@Australian | North Sydney - November 09, 2010, 9:38AM
Just admit it. When the French, British, Russians etc started to gain power in parts of the Levant/ME/Balkans, they put pressure on a weakened Ottoman Empire to stop their periodic massacres of the area's Christians. (Bulgaria, Lebanon eg)
Some Christian minorities took heart, organised and protested their dhimmi status. They then got jihad as per the Pact of Omar. They still do...
SH | .... - November 09, 2010, 10:01AM
@ Australian
People cannot "move on" until the Turkish government acknowledges what happened and apologizes.
@SH
Please don't use this article as an excuse to engage in more ignorant Muslim bashing.
Joby | Melbourne - November 09, 2010, 11:29AM
The turks have to admit for the genocide and compensate the Armenians including some land. Mt Arrarat which is the symbol of Armennia is few hundred kms from the border.
Returning the Konstantinopol and the surrounding area to Greece is the obvious next step.
Pamuk - November 09, 2010, 1:32PM
Which country is totally clean in all respects.
The West always sticks its nose in other peoples affairs without looking at itself.
What did the Europeans do to the American Indians, to the AUS Aborigines , as Colonizers in Africa and Asia??
Read James Bacque, Other Losses- An investigation into the mass deaths of German prisoners at the hands of the French and Americans after World War II. Bacque is a Canadian and he speak of a million men having been annihilated.
Most people know about the Turkish atrocities.
If the Turks can't handle the truth it is their problem.
not know darling I am on the net | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 1:42PM
also convenintly forgotten is the "Malta Tribunals"
"The following article has been prepared based on the British and the United States archives. It proves categorically that the Armenian allegations were heard with great zeal by the British following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, yet all the British efforts to incriminate the Ottoman government proved only the innocence of the Turks."
tallarmeniantale.com
Hey Colin, while you are at it maybe you can do an article what is happening right now:
Israel to Palestininas
US against Aghanistan
Us against Iraq
they all smell like genocide to me oh sorry "bringing Democracy"
all wars effect all people and no doubt all side's paid a horrible price than as tyhey are now.
Get out of the way and let the Turks and Armenian work out their differences as "neighbours".
Hopeful | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 2:10PM
I am yet waiting for an official apology from the Australian government for our part in the invasion of Gallipoli, Vietnam, Iraq etc.
But especially Gallipoli since it has such a historic importance in the character of the nation. Would love to hear how they justify the invasion of a country halfway across the world, which posed no danger to Australia in any shape or form, wasn't on an offensive war, but a defensive one where the foreign powers were invading their land. Since we are harking back to 80 years ago, some commentay would be appreciated. Especially since we sacrificed working class Australians for upper class poms.
nagman - November 09, 2010, 2:30PM
@Joby | Melbourne - November 09, 2010, 11:29AM
It's not ignorant and its not bashing. Its called criticism, something which is rare these days, both by the media and alot of commenters.
Kudos for not denying the Armenian genocide, but not for ignoring the lead up to it, the other massacres and the history. There is a pattern.
SH | .... - November 09, 2010, 2:37PM
SH, you don't know the first thing about Turkey, or Islam. The only reason you're commenting is to bash Islam. It's disgusting and all too predictable.
Oh, and Turkey absolutely SHOULD be allowed to join the EU, only bigots like you are opposed to it!
Dan - November 09, 2010, 2:40PM
@Dan
A prerequisite for Turkey joining the EU should be an official acknowledgement of the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides, an apology from the head of state, and the payment of reparations.
These should be non-negotiable.
Imagine if Germany denied its holocaust to this day?
Joby | Melbourne - November 09, 2010, 3:01PM
@Joby
If Turkey joins the E.U. Armenia will be the last thing on the European's mind. Note I said if Turkey joins? it is no longer as attractive for Turkey to join E.U. just ask the Greeks the pendulum is swinging the otherway it more likely the EU will be bending over back wards for the Turks to join them due to their aging population etc.. each day going by makes it less likely that Armenia will get any reparations.
I am affraid there are bigger headaches for the Eurpoeans like how to deport "Roma" and may not be to long before the Turks and Armenians for that matter, to join the deportation que to leave "Fortress Europe".
Wake up | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 3:40PM
The second last paragraph explains the context of this article.
It's less about Turkey's genocide denial, real enough, but about Turkey's falling out of favour with a belligerent Israel that brooks no criticism of its own extended contribution to ethnic cleansing.
evan jones | sydney - November 09, 2010, 3:42PM
Dear Hopeful. Thank you for being a good example of the genocide denialist machine, the type that Prof Tatz alluded to in his article. FYI, there was no such thing as a "Malta Tribunal", rather, there were about 118 Turks detained in Malta after the war to face an inter-allied tribunal which had not been established yet. The inter-allied tribunal was to take place as a requirement of the Sevres Treaty, although signed by Ottoman Turkey in 1920, it was not ratified thanks to the establishment of the Turkish nationalist movement headed by Ataturk. The subsequent release of the "Malta detainees" was a result of a prisoner swap between the British govt and the Turkish nationalists. Many of the 118 detained were also accused of having mistreated the Anzac POWs. Many of the Anzacs in their memoirs and diaries name the Turks who were mistreating them. One of them was Mazlum bey, the commandant at the Afion Karahissar internment camp. Mazlum was detained in Malta and later released.
Daniel | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 4:17PM
Colin Tatz shamelessly distorts the view of history. (edited by moderator) While vast archives spanning over 7 centuries of the Ottoman Empire were classified and opened to scholars for research almost two decades ago, Armenian archives in Erevan, Armenia, and Armenian Revolutionary Federation archives in Boston, USA, still remain closed to this day. With every research the truth is resurfacing. It was the Armenians who massacred the Turks in Eastern Turkey not the other way around. There are many Russian documents stating the same.
Even the first PM of Independant Armenian Republic said "The Turkish soldiers were well-disciplined and that there had not been any massacres" (Published by the Armenian Information Service, Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave. New York 22 – 1955).
The facts are, the Armenians resorted to wide scale, bloody uprisings during the First World War, hoping to carve out some Turkish territory when the Ottoman Empire was fighting for its survival. The Armenians sided with invading enemy armies (Russians) in 1914, which made Ottomans lose trust in them. Since it was not possible to distinguish between who betrayed and who didn't, the Ottoman Empire decided to relocate the Armenian population of Eastern Anatolia, which posed a serious threat to Ottoman security and war effort, to non-war zones of the empire, such as Iraq and Syria. This is no different than Australians interning their very few German born citizens during WW1 and Americans interning their Japanese born citizens during WW2.
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Umit - November 09, 2010, 5:20PM
@Daniel | Sydney
Dear Daniel, I have not denied simply pointed out that there is more to the story than meets the eye, and why would the Anzacs cover up atrocities inflicted on them by the Turks??
What are our (Anzacs) reasons for covering this up? You say "Many of the Anzacs in their memoirs and diaries name the Turks who were mistreating them" do we have any names of the "ANZACS" that the Aussie historian and RSL can follow up so that the Turks can get their just deserts.
Thank you for confirming that there was indeed a "Malta Tribunal" at least an intention of a tribunal to prosecute those who committed the atrocities... low and behold they are released as you put it prisoner swap – 118 Turks swapped for How many Englishman Daniel?
Was it 1000 English? I would imagine the English having commandeered "Istanbul" would have the upper hand and demand at least 118 prisoners my recollection is that it was only 22 Englishman- the math just does not add up.
Or could it actually be that they came to the realisation they did not have "credible evidence" that would stand up in a court of law. and to save face a prisoner exchange was arranged.
Remember that history is written by the Victor, this certainly puts England and her allies in the camp of the "Victorious" so they could have gotten away with it had they chosen to, darn it must have been that flimsy evidence provided by the Armenians and the Greeks.
Remember "Braker Morant" they shot him didn't they, and he was on their side!
I am with evan jones @ 3:42 pm there seems to be a little bit of pay back here...
I am still hopeful,
Hopeful | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 6:22PM
HOW HORRIBLE!!!!
I was just in Turkey admiring the ancient cities and enjoying the people's hospitality who now live there. I had no idea about this atrocity, have done a fair bit of reading over the past day on this it is absolutely essential Turkey apologise. I was appaled when i read the bit where hitler says 'who remembers the armenians now!' simply atrocious!!!
MAY | Melbourne, Victoria - November 09, 2010, 6:58PM
It's sickening to see this black armband view of Turkey's history. They need somebody like Keith Windschuttle to set things straight!
Bill | Melbourne - November 09, 2010, 7:00PM
Dear Umit - I don't understand how an "indigenous" subject people such as the Armenians could have been the perpetrators of genocide against the Turks. It is a fact that the Armenians (being stateless) were a subject people of both the Russians and the Ottoman Turks. Many Armenians fought loyally for the Ottoman Empire during WW1 and they were recognised for their bravery and gallantry at Sarikamish and Gallipoli by Enver Pasha. The Armenians in the Russian Empire fought loyally for Russia. The organised systematic deportation and massacre of the Armenian civil population (mainly women and children sent to the Syrian Desert) was calculated to change the demography of the Ottoman Empire so that it will be exclusively Turkish/Moslem. That is why there are no Armenians/Assyrians left in their historic provinces of Eastern Turkey and it's why their Christian cultural monuments which pre-date the Turkic/Moslem invasions are being converted to Mosques or have been destroyed. Your comparison of the internment of Germans by Australians etc is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who has even made a superficial study of the historical event. Raphael Lemkin, the man who coined the word genocide in 1944, used the Armenian massacres as an example of what the word meant. Hitler used it as a justification for the Holocaust. Your post is a good example of the "convulsive and reflexive" response by the denialist machine that Prof Tatz highlighted.
Kylie | Sydney - November 09, 2010, 8:26PM
The past of every nation contains crimes both great and small. It takes a big man to admit fault and perhaps Turkey has no big men. It's time for Turkey to come to grips with its past if it is to embrace its future.
peter s | sydney - November 09, 2010, 9:11PM
The article above is another reason why we haven't moved forward since the crusades. I am the grandson of Armenian and Turkish grandparents; needless to say the so called "Armenian Genocide" plays an important part in my life.
To put it simply, from the very words of my Armenian grandmother, there was a civil war, and many people died, large masses of MUSLIMS and Christians died needlessly on both sides over land.
The Turks on this matter are ready to move forward as long as there is appropriate research; the Prime Minister has come out and said that a joint research team by Armenian, Turkish and third party governments is warranted, and upon conclusion Turkey is ready to accept any monetary responsibility.
Let's not forget, Turkey (for its independence) did go to war with the majority of the countries which accept the genocide; this is going to contribute to them not outright accepting the genocide no questions asked.
It's a shame that that the Gallipoli spirit is being tarnished by these sought of ugly allegations, which only bread contempt and have no part in Australian life. Demeaning the braveries of Gallipoli for your own agenda is disrespectful and outright cowardly. One of the very few examples of gallantry on the battlefield was shown, and some communities are trying to destroy the very fabrics of Australian society.
I am truly disappointed that The Age a respected source of news is allowing for Islamophobia to flourish in its bulletins.
Gold Collar Australian - November 10, 2010, 1:06AM
I sincerely thank Prof. Tatz for writing this powerful article, yet he is wrong in suggesting that a formal apology "leavened by a limitation on reparations" would be "a way forward."
Such a token measure would in fact LEGITIMIZE and ADVANCE the genocidal acts of successive Turkish regimes!
The "way forward" begins with Turkey finally ending the century-long Armenian Genocide, issuing a complete apology, returning Western Armenia and Cilicia to the Armenian nation and people, providing billions in reparations and restitution and fully abandoning its racist anti-Armenian, anti-minority ideology and policies.
Markos - November 10, 2010, 1:39AM
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Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state founded in 1918 and the prime authority of the Dashnagzoutiun Party who wrote a book 'Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore' was also another chief denier. Because, in his book which is banned in Armenia at present, he stated that
*it was a mistake to establish the volunteer units.
*They were unconditionally allied with Russia,
*They massacred the Moslem population,
*The Armenian terrorist acts were directed, at winning the Western public opinion.
*British occupation aroused hopes of the Dashnaks,
*They were provoked by imperial Sea to Sea land demand,
*They had not taken into consideration Turkey's power,
* They should have used a peaceful language towards the Turks but they (Armenian Dashnaks) rejected the Turks who suggested to negotiate with them and they went on making war
(KS Papazian the writer of 'Patriotism Perverted' published in 1934, in Boston, also confirms this Turkish suggestion. Note that 'Patrionism Perverted' is banned in Armenia).
*The decision of the deportation of Armenians was a rightful measure taken by Turks.
*Turkey had acted with an instinct of self-defence.
*Their government was a Dashnak dictatorship.
*The fault was within the Dashnak Party. They should commit suicide. They had nothing to do.
Vratsyan, the last prime minister of Dashnaks who wrote in an article published in December 3 1920 issue of Araç, that they transformed Armenia to an arenna of endless wars with its neighbours for the Entente Powers (RGASPİ fond 80, list 4, file 83, sheet 136) was another chief denier and agent of Turkish government.
fehmi - November 10, 2010, 3:38AM
New generations may not be aware of these facts. However, their parents and the Armenian authorities are aware of all these fact very well. Remember that in 2004, the Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform (VAT) composed of Austrian, Turkish and Armenian historians was founded to exchange documents about the 1915 events. After receiving 100 Turkish documents, the Armenians abondened the project refusing to continue to fulfil their commitments
(I. Press Release 11.1.2005 Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform – VAT
The Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform deeply regrets to announce that she will not carry through her starting initiative „The First Viennese Armenian-Turkish Round Table" (FVATR Vienna 2005) originally planned for spring 2005. The reason is that the Armenian partner has not provided us with the necessary confirmation as agreed in August 2004.......On the other hand, the Turkish partner accepted already to participate in the dialogue, in which each part was supposed to present 180 documents on the year 1915 showing their understanding of this delicate matter. http://www.turkishdigest.com/documents/VATpressrelase.pdf)
Also, beware that the parliaments who recognized your genocide thesis, did so, depending on the vote of the Armenians not on the historical documents which were presented them by the Armenians.
corey - November 10, 2010, 4:20AM
According to Caleb F Gates, president of Robert College, the Armenian population statistics in January 1921, as confirmed by the Armenian Patriarchate was as follows: Armenians in Ottoman provinces approximetely 600 000; Armenians alive 944 900; Armenian total loss 355 000. (FO 371/6556/E 2730: Gates to Rumbold, 16.2.1921, giving the statistics of the Armenians then living in Turkey, obtained from the Armenian Patriarch). In the light of these statistics, how can the loss of about 400 000 Armenians be labelled as 'massacres, genocide, or proto-Holocaust' and the loss of over one million Muslims, as a result of Armenian activities, is not even mentioned? What kind of a holocoust is it that the aggressive side suffered much more losses than the attacked side? (From: Sonyel Salahi. The Great War and The Tragedy of Anatolia. TTK, 2000, pp.170-182)
corey - November 10, 2010, 4:22AM
Tatz, i was wondering if you ever read or heard about armenians first pms confessions about the issue! let me help you:
'... The war with us was inevitable... We had not done all that was necessary for us to have done to evade war. We ought to have used peaceful language with the Turks...We had no information about the real strength of the Turks and relied on ours. This was the fundamental error. We were not afraid of war because we thought we could win... Our army was well fed and well armed and [clothed] but it did not fight. The troops were constantly retreating and deserting their positions ; they threw away their arms and dispersed in the villages. ...In spite of the fact that the Armenians had better material and better support, their armies lost. ..... the advancing Turks fought only against the regular soldiers ; they did not carry the battle to the civilian sector. ....the Turkish soldiers were well-disciplined and that there had not been any massacres...'
Source: The 1923 Bucharest Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first PM of the Independent Armenian Republic, published by the Armenian Information Service Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave., New York 22 – 1955.
corey - November 10, 2010, 4:29AM
There has been no kind of court decision about what the Armenians call a 'genocide' nor has the Armenians ever applied to any court.
Moreover, International Court of Justice or domestic courts are the only authorities reserved to prosecute and proclaim genocide according to the 1948 UN Convention. Therefore, the Armenian allegation of genocide lacks evidence and legal support.
Have you ever wondered;
Why are they afraid of simply applying to the International Court of Justice instead of spending huge amounts of money to make the propaganda of their thesis?
Why are they afraid of discussing their thesis in historical joint commissions?
Why did they not open their archives up till now, while the Turkish archives are open?
corey - November 10, 2010, 4:31AM
"...During WWI, the Russians invaded the Caucasus, and with the help of local Armenians, they have chased Turks and Jews, killed whoever they could catch, and then pillaged and plundered Turkish and Jewish villages. He was about 10 years old and my father-in-law was only 3 and he said there is no way he could forget that exodus, that fleeing. Turks and Jews brought with them to Anatolia whatever they could pack with them. Jewish families first went to Van (a city by the lake Van in Eastern Anatolia). While some Jewish families settled there, others continued their travel to settle in Adana and other places, and still others went as far as Palestine. What I am trying to my Armenian friends is this: everything has a prior history. If the Armenian attack and kill Turks, Turks, in their quest to avenge those Armenian atrocities, may have caused massacres in their counter attacks and chases. Aren't these 'eye for an eye' feuds conventional and normal under the conditions of those days? In contrast, what the Germans did to 6 million Jews cannot be explained by such feuds, chases, or civil wars; there was absolutely no reason for the Holocaust. I never quite understood how the Armenians want to be included in the same category as the Jews of Holocaust. Momo Asafrana, December 09, 2004
corey - November 10, 2010, 4:37AM
Dear Hopeful
I repeat, there was no such thing as a "Malta Tribunal". There were Turks accused of War Crimes detained in Malta from 1919 pending the establishment of an inter-allied tribunal which unfortunately never eventuated because of the political changes which occcured in the Near East, and NOT because they were innocent. They were exchanged for 22 British prisoners (including Colonel Rawlinson) held by the Turkish (Kemalist) Nationalists in Erzerum. The decision of the British government to release the Turks was, as Australian Geoffrey Robertson QC recently observed, for reasons of "political expediency" resulting from the disunity of the European powers towards the defeated Ottoman Empire. As for the Turks held in Malta accused of the mistreatment of the Anzac POWs during WW1, there names can be found in the report titled "First and Second Interim Reports from the Committee of Enquiry into the Breaches of the Laws of War" January 1919, British National Archives ref. no. CAB/24/85. I will list some of the names of the Turks in my next post. The report includes the details of their crimes including the names of the British and Anzac POWs who were witnesses.
Daniel | Sydney - November 10, 2010, 9:16AM
The following is a list of some of the Turks who were detained in Malta for the mistreatment of the British and Anzac POWs in Turkey during WW1. The complete list is available in British National Archives doc. no. CAB/24/127.
Prisoner no. 2679 Mehmed Tewfik Bey
Prisoner no. 2680 Ahmed Tewfik Bey
Prisoner no. 2694 Djemal Eff Abdul
Prisoner no. 2707 Mazlum Bey Edib
Prisoner no. 2708 Haidar Bey Ahmed
Prisoner no. 2709 Sahmy Bey Ahmed
Prisoner no. 2710 Hakky Bey Ibrahim
Prisoner no. 2745 Tahir Bey
For excample, Mazlum Bey, the commandant of the Afion Karahissar internment camp is described in the report as follows: "a ferocious brute" and accused of "theft and sodomitical practices", "repeatedly flogged the prisoners", "callously indifferent to the condition of the prisoners ... 200 prisoners died within 6 weeks ... British medical officers were not allowed to attend to the medical needs ... etc etc.
Daniel | Sydney - November 10, 2010, 9:36AM
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/denial-of-an-ugly-past-is-holding-turkey-back-20101108-17k8f.html
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Steve Hogan has left a new comment at 5.3.2013:
Unfortunately, Prof. Colin Tatz is a crook. The evidence & documents leave little room to dispute the lobbyist professor's financial dealings with the Greek and Armenian diaspora in Australia... www.armeniangenocidelies.com/2012/11/15/colin-tatz-panayiotis-diamadis-armenian-greek-lobby-australia/
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